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Re:The disposable academic: Why doing a PhD is often a waste... by johnswamps on Saturday December 18, 2010 @01:29PM (#2019929)
If anyone is curious, here are the median starting salaries for graduates from Stanford's CS/EE departments (survey was self selecting so the numbers are probably skewed up, but there were a large number of responses):

Undergrad: 80k Masters: 87k PhD: 114k

Re:The disposable academic: Why doing a PhD is often a waste... by potatolicious on Saturday December 18, 2010 @01:48PM (#2019965)
The PhD hits the workforce ~6 years later than the undergrad. It is entirely feasible, in fact most probable, for a 80k undergrad to hit ~115k in 6 years.
Re:The disposable academic: Why doing a PhD is often a waste... by Confusion on Sunday December 19, 2010 @05:33AM (#2021486)
However, salary usually climbs fastest in the first few years after starting, so if they are both at 115K at some point, the next year the PhD may be at 126, while the undergrad get stuck at 118. This difference only increases and the end-of-career opportunities for the PhD are also larger: on average, he can attain jobs for which he will be preferred above the undergrad, who gets stuck at a lower rung. Of course, this is all 'on average'.
Re:The disposable academic: Why doing a PhD is often a waste... by endtime on Saturday December 18, 2010 @02:11PM (#2020028)
Also significantly more than 4 years later than the MS students, since a lot of people in Stanford CS do the 5 year BS/MS co-term.
Re:The disposable academic: Why doing a PhD is often a waste... by amichail on Saturday December 18, 2010 @01:37PM (#2019940)
Money is not everything. A successful career as an indie developer can be a lot more rewarding than one in academia.
Re:The disposable academic: Why doing a PhD is often a waste... by tjr on Saturday December 18, 2010 @02:30PM (#2020064)
Sure. So maybe instead of trying to pattern our lives according to blog after blog and article after article, we should all do what we believe to be best for our own lives, be it spending more time in formal education, or be it dropping out, or be it starting a startup, or be it working for a huge company.

I think that society today needs people to do all of those things, and more. We all need to find our own place, and excel there.

Re:The disposable academic: Why doing a PhD is often a waste... by pjscott on Saturday December 18, 2010 @02:54PM (#2020133)
Without those articles and blog posts and discussions, how are we supposed to find out what the various options are, and their relative benefits and drawbacks? "Finding out own place" doesn't just happen. (Except when it does. But relying on luck is a chancy proposition.)
Re:The disposable academic: Why doing a PhD is often a waste... by pbhjpbhj on Wednesday December 22, 2010 @08:31AM (#2031245)
>We all need to find our own place, and excel there.

I'd posit that writ large this won't actual create a functioning society. Some in society need to be content where they are because we need people to do the "dirty" jobs that others won't do.

Re:The disposable academic: Why doing a PhD is often a waste... by geebee on Saturday December 18, 2010 @08:16PM (#2020769)
median JD: 160K (http://www.law.stanford.edu/school/facts/#graduates)

MBA is also way up there.

not sure about medicine...

keep in mind that elite MBA, JD, and even MD programs have very high completion rates, much higher than PhDs, and that MD and JD degrees can take less than half the time. MD degrees take as long as PhDs when you factor in the residency, but the job prospects and earnings are probably much higher.

From a purely financial point of view, it just doesn't make sense for someone who already has US citizenship to do a PhD. For non-citizens, though, it can be an excellent way to get into the country (though even then, an MS is usually enough to get that first work visa).

Re:The disposable academic: Why doing a PhD is often a waste... by donaldc on Saturday December 18, 2010 @03:05PM (#2020152)
Undergrad: 80k Masters: 87k PhD: 114k

In addition to the fact that the Undergrad may be making more than $114K by the time the PhD student has acquired a PhD, there's also the issue of selection bias. Perhaps, on average, people choosing to get PhDs are more capable than people with Bachelor's degrees. In this case, the extra degree could be absolutely useless, and yet people having a PhD would still earn more.

Re:The disposable academic: Why doing a PhD is often a waste... by jpendry on Saturday December 18, 2010 @01:57PM (#2019986)
It would be interesting to see how much the undergrads are making after two years (expected amount of time to finish the degree), and the masters after four (to finish the PhD).
Re:The disposable academic: Why doing a PhD is often a waste... by InquilineKea on Saturday December 18, 2010 @06:09PM (#2020549)
And also, the variance in the amount of money undergrads make after 6 years, compared to the variance in the $ that PhDs make. Some undergrads could earn MUCH more money than PhDs, but it's also ENTIRELY possible that undergrads could fizzle out/make a major mistake and end up in a perpetual cycle of low-wage jobs (and this can happen to the highly intelligent too)