Re:Scientists find first evidence that many universes exist
by yters on Saturday December 18, 2010 @02:54AM
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Couldn't God have created everything from nothing? God is philosophically understood to be a self sufficient being. He is also understood to be all powerful, thus capable of creating something from nothing.
Seems a justified and tidy resolution to the supposed problem you refer to.
Re:Scientists find first evidence that many universes exist
by Flankk on Saturday December 18, 2010 @03:12AM
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You are just adding another layer of abstraction. Something created God or God has existed forever.
If the universe existed forever, you don't need to create a God to create the universe.
Re:Scientists find first evidence that many universes exist
by away on Saturday December 18, 2010 @09:52PM
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There is a difference though. From what we know of the big bang, there is a starting point of the universe. The universe being started from nothing violates physical laws. A spiritual entity wouldn't be bound by the same physical logistics. Even if someone argues that it is "unlikely" for God to exist, it is still atleast a logical possibility.
Re:Scientists find first evidence that many universes exist
by ceejayoz on Saturday December 18, 2010 @10:38PM
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> From what we know of the big bang
There's a lot we know we don't know of the Big Bang.
> The universe being started from nothing violates physical laws.
So does a God. Something has to be violating physical laws as we currently understand them (and we hardly know everything yet...), so adding God doesn't really get you anywhere.
Re:Scientists find first evidence that many universes exist
by yters on Sunday December 19, 2010 @06:15PM
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No, it's a third option because God is outside of time. So, since the term "always" is tensed, it doesn't apply.
Re:Scientists find first evidence that many universes exist
by ceejayoz on Monday December 20, 2010 @11:38AM
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Why can God exist outside of time, but not a natural process?
Re:Scientists find first evidence that many universes exist
by yters on Tuesday December 21, 2010 @08:02AM
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"Process" is time bound by definition. There are also other characteristics of God's causality that natural processes cannot have. For instance, free will is the ability to create something from nothing, and natural processes cannot do this.
We either don't exist - demonstrably false - or the universe's start doesn't necessarily abide by cause-and-effect as we humans understand it.