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Re:Japan outlaws flying drones while drunk by zrobotics on Thursday June 13, 2019 @09:07AM (#20174416)
"We believe operating drones after consuming alcohol is as serious as (drink) driving," a Japanese transport ministry official told the AFP news agency.

I'm assuming this is due to translation, surely this is hyperbolic and not serious. I don't think this is a bad law, people should be sober when piloting a drone, but how in any way is a drone comparable to the danger posed by a drunk driver?

Re:Japan outlaws flying drones while drunk by StavrosK on Thursday June 13, 2019 @10:05AM (#20174958)
As someone who owns a few drones, I'm quite afraid of them. The racing ones are much more dangerous, but the pilots also tend to be much more responsible. The rotors can definitely cut flesh, which is why everyone has the "disarm" switch (which completely kills rotor power instantly) in the most easily accessible place on their controller. These, I'm not worried about, because every person I've seen flying one has always done it far away from people, and very very carefully.

The automatic drones are the ones I'm afraid of most, due to the posts I've seen on groups I'm a member of. They take no skill to fly, so people fly them without understanding. I've seen people disable the sensors and flying them a few centimeters from people's faces, where a slight gust of wind will mean permanent disfigurement. I've seen people fly them close to trees, next to wires over people, and a thousand other dangerous situations.

Whenever I see that a law forbids me from flying and taking photos, I initially curse the lawmakers and then realize that the same law protects me from the thousands of irresponsible drone owners, and I feel a bit better.

Re:Japan outlaws flying drones while drunk by yellowapple on Thursday June 13, 2019 @04:23PM (#20178260)
On that note, I wonder how long it'll be before we have real-life Half-Life-2-style Manhacks?
Re:Japan outlaws flying drones while drunk by lowdose on Thursday June 13, 2019 @07:13PM (#20179410)
A month lead time ready made-to-order.

https://www.bostondynamics.com/

Re:Japan outlaws flying drones while drunk by tehbeard on Thursday June 13, 2019 @09:10AM (#20174449)
Spinning rotors and likely vector for a bystander impact is from above (i.e. Head)
Re:Japan outlaws flying drones while drunk by Retric on Thursday June 13, 2019 @09:27AM (#20174610)
Outside of military aircraft drone related deaths are extremely rare. Skulls can survive fairly heavy impacts relative to most drones. Randomly falling drones are also unlikely to hit someone outside the most densely packed crowds.

So, while drunk droning may be a safety hazard, it’s vastly less risky than drunk driving.

Re:Japan outlaws flying drones while drunk by LiquidSky on Thursday June 13, 2019 @09:40AM (#20174718)
>Randomly falling drones are also unlikely to hit someone outside the most densely packed crowds.

Like those found in many Japanese cities?

Re:Japan outlaws flying drones while drunk by Retric on Thursday June 13, 2019 @10:18AM (#20175090)
Japanese drones are already banned in areas with over 4,000 people per km^2.
Re:Japan outlaws flying drones while drunk by ojilles on Thursday June 13, 2019 @09:43AM (#20174745)
And it’s already outlawed over cities in Japan.
Re:Japan outlaws flying drones while drunk by hrktb on Thursday June 13, 2019 @11:42AM (#20175928)
I'd see them as a cause of traffic accidents/injuries by distraction.

Just as being drunk in public is already a finable offence I think, as is causing disagreements on the public space.

Re:Japan outlaws flying drones while drunk by SilasX on Thursday June 13, 2019 @01:07PM (#20176766)
Yes, they're rare because you're not sampling over the set of people operating them while drunk.
Re:Japan outlaws flying drones while drunk by Retric on Thursday June 13, 2019 @03:31PM (#20177893)
That’s likely to underestimate risks as there does not seem to be any deaths related to drunk drone operators.

With how many drones have been sold worldwide, if drones where even vaguely as dangerous as cars per hour we could easily find hundreds of deaths. So, even hypothetically cars are at minimum hundreds of times more dangerous.

Re:Japan outlaws flying drones while drunk by zrobotics on Thursday June 13, 2019 @09:26AM (#20174602)
I know Japanese cars tend to be smaller than the monstrosities common in the US, but even a small car will weigh >1000lbs. That's enough kinetic energy that even someone in another car is at risk, whereas anyone in a car is nearly invulnerable to a consumer drone. I definitely don't want to be struck by a drone, but given the choice between a car accident and drone accident, I'll take the drone any day.
Re:Japan outlaws flying drones while drunk by behringer on Thursday June 13, 2019 @09:39AM (#20174704)
Wait are we comparing drone on car impacts now?
Re:Japan outlaws flying drones while drunk by zrobotics on Thursday June 13, 2019 @11:02AM (#20175535)
Quite a few drunk driving deaths are car-on-car, so it seemed a reasonable comparison to make. Although I would suspect the majority of drone accidents are drone-on-human, but even in that case car-on-pedestrian is far more lethal.
Re:Japan outlaws flying drones while drunk by nihonde on Thursday June 13, 2019 @12:24PM (#20176364)
A collision between a drone and a windshield is plenty to cause a serious accident.
Re:Japan outlaws flying drones while drunk by suls on Thursday June 13, 2019 @09:16AM (#20174507)
Same logic as riding a bicycle _under the influence of alcohol_ is against the law in Japan.

Edit: clarified

Re:Japan outlaws flying drones while drunk by the_mitsuhiko on Thursday June 13, 2019 @09:30AM (#20174632)
Same in Austria: bikes/ebikes/scooters and scateboards have a alcohol limit of 0.8 permille. Drone piloting I believe has 0.0.
Re:Japan outlaws flying drones while drunk by fileeditview on Thursday June 13, 2019 @11:05AM (#20175569)
In Germany you can even lose your driver's license when riding a bike drunk (but you have to be very drunk.. more than 1.6 per mille).
Re:Japan outlaws flying drones while drunk by petre on Thursday June 13, 2019 @11:20AM (#20175694)
What if you do not have a drivers license? You just get a fine?
Re:Japan outlaws flying drones while drunk by usrusr on Thursday June 13, 2019 @12:00PM (#20176132)
A repeat offender would eventually be barred from any participation in traffic other than walking. Basically a form of restraining order, with the same limited effectivity.

Fortunately the law is still acknowledging that drunk cycling is much less bad than drunk driving (and often the only practical alternative besides sobriety), so you'd have to go pretty wild to ever get more than maybe a fine. Unfortunately, this view is increasingly under pressure from the kind of "enemy of the good" perfectionists who always ignore the big picture.

Re:Japan outlaws flying drones while drunk by whamlastxmas on Thursday June 13, 2019 @12:21PM (#20176339)
Same in the US
Re:Japan outlaws flying drones while drunk by darkpuma on Thursday June 13, 2019 @01:25PM (#20176918)
Depends on the state. In Washington(state) riding a bike while drunk is legal. The police can stop you an offer you a ride to your destination. If the drunk cyclist declines the offer, they're free to go unless the officer believes they are a hazard to the public, in which case the bicycle can be impounded if necessary. But the cyclist won't get a DUI for it.
Re:Japan outlaws flying drones while drunk by petre on Thursday June 13, 2019 @03:22PM (#20177833)
That seems quite reasonable.
Re:Japan outlaws flying drones while drunk by rangibaby on Thursday June 13, 2019 @10:00AM (#20174908)
Bicycles generally share footpaths with pedestrians, so drunk riding can be dangerous to other people. Bicycle laws are rarely enforced in any case
Re:Japan outlaws flying drones while drunk by nerd7473 on Thursday June 13, 2019 @09:18AM (#20174521)
Never heard that one...
Re:Japan outlaws flying drones while drunk by LeifCarrotson on Thursday June 13, 2019 @09:23AM (#20174566)
It's not,that all bikes are disallowed, it's that riding a bicycle while drunk is against the law. And they have pretty stiff fines, comparable to drunk driving tickets: https://jpninfo.com/76265
Re:Japan outlaws flying drones while drunk by asutekku on Thursday June 13, 2019 @09:24AM (#20174576)
Mind giving a source? Me and thousands of other university students in here would like to disagree.
Re:Japan outlaws flying drones while drunk by cultus on Thursday June 13, 2019 @09:44AM (#20174754)
It's against the law in many places in the US as well, but I've never heard of it enforced. I'm sure most people would rather have drunks on bikes than cars.
Re:Japan outlaws flying drones while drunk by francisofascii on Thursday June 13, 2019 @12:21PM (#20176344)
I suspect the main reason is to ensure the driver of a car is not liable if they hit a drunk cyclist.
Re:Japan outlaws flying drones while drunk by rangibaby on Thursday June 13, 2019 @10:01AM (#20174915)
It’s illegal but rarely enforced. If you hit a person while biking drunk you will likely be in a world of shit.
Re:Japan outlaws flying drones while drunk by C1sc0cat on Thursday June 13, 2019 @10:31AM (#20175217)
Unlikely unless you accidently kill /injure some one and then only if the family has a lot of $ for a private prosecution.
Re:Japan outlaws flying drones while drunk by asutekku on Thursday June 13, 2019 @07:10PM (#20179392)
The original post stated cycling was illegal in japan.
Re:Japan outlaws flying drones while drunk by Gpetrium on Thursday June 13, 2019 @12:33PM (#20176461)
Most people that think about the effects of drink-n-driving tend to link it to deaths. In reality, a majority of the cost is tied to public/private property damage. In that case, it is valid to argue that a drunk drone pilot can incur serious damage to electrical grids, increased odds of moving the drone to heights associated with airplanes/helicopters among many other issues.
Re:Japan outlaws flying drones while drunk by hyperpallium on Thursday June 13, 2019 @09:25AM (#20174591)
Drunk drivers don't close down airports.
Re:Japan outlaws flying drones while drunk by castis on Thursday June 13, 2019 @09:35AM (#20174678)
They could if they ran a car onto the runway.
Re:Japan outlaws flying drones while drunk by knowa42 on Thursday June 13, 2019 @09:27AM (#20174612)
You're right, they just kill people.
Re:Japan outlaws flying drones while drunk by esotericn on Thursday June 13, 2019 @09:56PM (#20180047)
I think you'd be surprised, as I was, if you looked at the statistics on how dangerous driving under the influence is.

At 0.10% the accident rate is approximately 5x baseline.