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Re:Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionabl... by tehjoker on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @12:18PM (#20166246)
Don't be fooled. Zuckerberg is the head of the organization and has both created and internalized the economic logic of his organization, but the problem is systemic. If you put in someone else, they'll have a different style and might do a few things slightly different, but the economic logic is the same. Spying on the population is profitable, so such operations must be expanded to the maximum possible extent.

We can't simply undertake anti-trust litigation against these companies. We must go further and outlaw this business model.

Re:Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionabl... by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @02:11PM (#20167565)
> We must go further and outlaw this business model

Laws work best when they outlaw the harm, not the method. Strengthening privacy rights and pursuing antitrust action around that [1] will deter similar business models in the future. If Zuckerberg willfully violated the FTC consent decree, there are ways to make him pay that discincentivise similar behavior in future.

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/28/opinion/privacy-antitrust...

Re:Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionabl... by rchaud on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @03:13PM (#20168233)
FB is still only one head of the hydra. Amazon, LinkedIn, Google all profit off of the collection and use of personal data. A massive chunk of Silicon Valley's cash hoards depend on advertising. And when that much money is on the line, regulators tend to take on a 'light touch'.
Re:Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionabl... by paulryanrogers on Saturday June 15, 2019 @04:02PM (#20191796)
Crime can look a lot like a hydra. Still, I don't think giving up the fight is a better solution.
Re:Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionabl... by fit2rule on Saturday June 15, 2019 @05:17AM (#20189090)
>We must go further and outlaw this business model.

We need to make social-discovery and network services a function of the OS and not a 3rd-party service over which the user has no agency.

In my opinion we are in this dilemma because OS vendors fell asleep at the wheel, and such things as a well-working, inbuilt common system service are instead a behind-the-walled-garden/-data-center service that has been usurped from the user.

So, same as it ever was: the corporate control over social networking (and lets just call it that, because that's what these systems are) is only 'a thing' because our systems - our computers - and the OS they run, out of the box - have been usurped for the purpose.

So, lets just continue with seeing iron-grip over single points of the network (i.e. Facebook, et al.) as the damage it is, indeed, and route around it.

i.e. we don't need legal harassment - just better system services which allow discovery and sharing with our peers without discarding near-full agency to a sinister, shady, corporate third-party.

Re:Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionabl... by starbugs on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @02:05PM (#20167509)
It seems rather hard to find a legal way to outlaw the business model.

I wonder whether there's a way to make spying so unprofitable that the business model simply isn't attractive anymore?

Legislation that would force businesses to pay for collecting user data (maybe a tax on user data) might be a start, but I don't see how something like that could be implemented successfully.

Re:Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionabl... by smuemd on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @02:13PM (#20167594)
FB is planetary scale psychoactive technology. Just make it a public health issue.
Re:Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionabl... by closeparen on Thursday June 13, 2019 @11:34AM (#20175836)
Democracies are accountable only to issues that affect turnout in swing districts. Businesses are accountable to everything that might send transactions to competitors.

It’s quite difficult to stop using Facebook, but it’s effectively impossible to get an electoral outcome changed over a niche technical issue, or even a general one like the trains not working.

Re:Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionabl... by paulryanrogers on Saturday June 15, 2019 @04:03PM (#20191799)
Agreed. Let's make gerrymandering illegal.
Re:Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionabl... by bongobongo on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @02:01PM (#20167459)
It never ceases to amaze me how people who are opposed to government surveillance by accountable liberal constitutional democracies are OK with surveillance by unaccountable private interests who lie all the time and do harm in order to make money.
Re:Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionabl... by cameronbrown on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @02:19PM (#20167652)
The government has the ability to make me disappear. Facebook does not.
Re:Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionabl... by tehjoker on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @02:27PM (#20167742)
"Facebook Is Looking for Employees With National Security Clearances" "October 16, 2017, 4:00 AM EDT Updated on October 16, 2017, 12:23 PM EDT"

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-10-16/facebook-...

Re:Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionabl... by arrosenberg on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @02:29PM (#20167771)
Facebook does have the opposite ability though - they could make one appear to be whoever they want. If they were inclined to use their data and technology maliciously, against an individual, I think it's likely they could ruin that life pretty quickly.
Re:Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionabl... by gdy on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @03:06PM (#20168172)
But character assassination with all the data on you that FB has is trivial.
Re:Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionabl... by ishan1121 on Thursday June 13, 2019 @03:12AM (#20172449)
Be shadow banned by Fb & Google and your online presence is dead. You can scream and scream all you want but no one will hear you online.
Re:Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionabl... by bongobongo on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @02:30PM (#20167783)
A liberal constitutional democracy does not have any more ability to make you disappear than Facebook does.

And repressive governments already use Facebook to disappear their people:

>The Facebook posts were not from everyday internet users. Instead, they were from Myanmar military personnel who turned the social network into a tool for ethnic cleansing, according to former military officials, researchers and civilian officials in the country.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/15/technology/myanmar-facebo...

So, the notion that it's somehow "safer" for Facebook to engage in omnipresent surveillance doesn't prove true.

Re:Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionabl... by phry on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @04:12PM (#20168790)
> A liberal constitutional democracy does not have any more ability to make you disappear than Facebook does.

oh for sure bud

"The disappeared: Chicago police detain Americans at abuse-laden 'black site'"

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/24/chicago-poli...

Re:Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionabl... by na85 on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @04:36PM (#20169025)
The US isn't a liberal constitutional democracy. It's an oligarchy with different laws for the rich and poor.
Re:Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionabl... by paulddraper on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @07:41PM (#20170484)
> A liberal constitutional democracy does not have any more ability to make you disappear than Facebook does.

Yes, no true Scotsman would do such a thing.

Re:Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionabl... by paulddraper on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @04:56PM (#20169236)
Government has a exclusive monopoly on taxation and physical force.

Facebook is just some website.

There's not even a comparison.

Re:Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionabl... by AlexandrB on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @05:07PM (#20169322)
Government is elected.

Facebook is controlled by a single person who even the board cannot force out.

There's not even a comparison.

Re:Facebook Emails Could Show Zuckerberg Knew of Questionabl... by paulddraper on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @07:38PM (#20170466)
Facebook was elected by the market.

There have been other candidates to make bids: Google+, WeChat, etc.