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Re:When Employees Use Software That IT Hasn’t Approved by exabrial on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @08:59AM (#20164065)
I really wish some big shots in the security world would write an ISO standard or something stating how harmful blanket 'block Dropbox' policies are for the reasons you list.
Re:When Employees Use Software That IT Hasn’t Approved by ubermonkey on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @09:48AM (#20164560)
The "dumb" here isn't even limited to "block Dropbox." Lots of my customers have blanket "block everything that could plausibly be used for file sharing" policies, and explicitly include services literally AIMED at corporate/B2B data exchange like Citrix's ShareFile.

No, we don't have an internal FTP site. No, I won't set one up for you. We use Sharefile for distribution so we don't have to do that. Your IT blocks it? Yeah, that's dumb. Go talk to them; it's not my problem. We're not going to do customized delivery channels just because your halfwit CIO decided to block every site with an upload button.

Re:When Employees Use Software That IT Hasn’t Approved by repolfx on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @11:54AM (#20165954)
The issue here seems more cultural than technical - it seems non-tech firms are vastly more paranoid about data sharing or leakage, despite usually having less valuable data. The amount of effort put into anti-exfiltration measures in finance is staggering compared to what existed at Google, and it kills productivity to an enormous degree.

This seems to go hand in hand with a much greater obsession over IP. I've seen people actually threaten to start legal fights over whiteboard diagrams of little to no meaning at all. My guess is that outside the tech industry, new ideas are relatively rare so even very simple ideas feel incredibly valuable. This gets generalised to anything employees produce and is why there's no culture of open source development in most traditional industries.

Re:When Employees Use Software That IT Hasn’t Approved by rifung on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @04:25PM (#20168928)
> My guess is that outside the tech industry, new ideas are relatively rare so even very simple ideas feel incredibly valuable.

Are they not rare even inside the tech industry?

Re:When Employees Use Software That IT Hasn’t Approved by repolfx on Thursday June 13, 2019 @01:15PM (#20176830)
Not really no. I'd guess most tech firms have far more ideas than they can ever execute on. Ideas are cheap. Implementations are expensive.

See how all the big firms file gazillions of patents but actual patent infringement suits between them are quite rare. Patents are seen as a defensive posture: everyone knows everyone violates a million patents so by and large, mutually assured destruction is avoided. In a world where ideas were rare you'd see patents be treated as much more valuable.

Re:When Employees Use Software That IT Hasn’t Approved by closeparen on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @06:44PM (#20170111)
Put it this way: if all our engineering design documents and presentations leaked, our competitors would get less value from their contents than they would have to spend on the reading.
Re:When Employees Use Software That IT Hasn’t Approved by ubermonkey on Thursday June 13, 2019 @09:05AM (#20174402)
It's endemic, and ongoing. 20+ years ago Scott Adams made fun of this obsession in Dilbert. "Oh, they're going to use synergy!"
Re:When Employees Use Software That IT Hasn’t Approved by maxxxxx on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @09:55AM (#20164628)
The funny thing is that they block Dropbox but then there are plenty of shady upload sites that aren’t blocked. We don’t use them because we think they aren’t secure but our IT guys would have no problem with that.
Re:When Employees Use Software That IT Hasn’t Approved by natch on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @11:26AM (#20165567)
That highlights a problem woven through the industry which is that the IT department isn’t always the sharpest team in the building, even on security matters.
Re:When Employees Use Software That IT Hasn’t Approved by TeMPOraL on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @06:43PM (#20170105)
It's worse than that. I haven't met an IT person yet that wasn't as smart as the developers they worked with, except in slightly different domain. But the incentive structures are aligned in a way that makes IT's real job to execute cover-your-ass directives which freeze work. Doing the right thing is literally the opposite of what IT is being paid for.
Re:When Employees Use Software That IT Hasn’t Approved by ubermonkey on Thursday June 13, 2019 @09:03AM (#20174387)
>I haven't met an IT person yet that wasn't as smart as the developers they worked with

You are very, very fortunate.

The standard big-company IT person I see at client sites is not very bright or will-informed.

Re:When Employees Use Software That IT Hasn’t Approved by maxxxxx on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @11:40AM (#20165767)
They are completely outsourced and offshored. Only a few competent people are left.
Re:When Employees Use Software That IT Hasn’t Approved by maxxxxx on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @09:38AM (#20164436)
And they should commit to talking to my VP every time the VP commits us to working with a supplier who uses Dropbox and also commit to finding solutions that allow us to get our work done within deadlines.
Re:When Employees Use Software That IT Hasn’t Approved by esoterica on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @11:27AM (#20165583)
There’s nothing wrong with a block Dropbox policy. The problem here is a failure to establish a standardized method of transferring files in and out of the company.
Re:When Employees Use Software That IT Hasn’t Approved by dasil003 on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @11:42AM (#20165801)
And what if two companies standardized methods are incompatible?
Re:When Employees Use Software That IT Hasn’t Approved by anoncake on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @02:20PM (#20167654)
They could hire a third company to copy the data from one standardized method to the other.
Re:When Employees Use Software That IT Hasn’t Approved by TeMPOraL on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @06:45PM (#20170121)
And now the threat model is at best "literally Dropbox"; at worst, "a Dropbox except built by a random startup or fly-by-night contractors".
Re:When Employees Use Software That IT Hasn’t Approved by exabrial on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @02:45PM (#20167929)
You write a new standard to unify the existing two standards
Re:When Employees Use Software That IT Hasn’t Approved by wernercd on Wednesday June 12, 2019 @07:53PM (#20170564)
Or you create some sort of middleware to talk between the two.
Re:When Employees Use Software That IT Hasn’t Approved by hnick on Thursday June 13, 2019 @03:36AM (#20172542)
USB sticks usually, in my experience.