Re:Canada to ban keeping whales, dolphins in captivity
by brohee on Tuesday June 11, 2019 @08:39AM
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See also the Blackfish documentary (which seem to have left Netflix sadly). Almost all captive male orcas have a floppy dorsal fin, that is a definite sign of ill health and seldom happens in the wild.
Re:Canada to ban keeping whales, dolphins in captivity
by lkbm on Tuesday June 11, 2019 @11:26AM
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I watched Blackfish about a week ago, and I'm pretty sure it was on Netflix. Could've been Amazon.
Re:Canada to ban keeping whales, dolphins in captivity
by marvin-83 on Tuesday June 11, 2019 @08:52AM
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From the study that Marino & Frohoff (2011) cites for orca whale lifespan in the wild:
> Using data from between 1973-4 and 1987, females have a mean life expectancy of 50.2 yr
How is this possible? I don't understand how a 14 year observation window allows someone to observe an average life expectancy of 50 years.
Re:Canada to ban keeping whales, dolphins in captivity
by moate on Tuesday June 11, 2019 @09:28AM
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Because they're able to tell how old the whale is when it died. They're not observing whales from birth to death in each instance. If you tried to do that, you'd be unable to speak on life expectancy on species with lifespans greater than like 10 years.
Re:Canada to ban keeping whales, dolphins in captivity
by marvin-83 on Tuesday June 11, 2019 @09:36AM
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by autopsy? Or is there clear external physiology that indicates the age?
Re:Canada to ban keeping whales, dolphins in captivity
by moate on Tuesday June 11, 2019 @02:24PM
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https://www.quora.com/How-do-biologists-tell-the-age-of-a-wh...
Quick and dirty: size is a pretty good indicator to approximate, but if you've got yourself a dead whale you can check the bones to get a better number.
Re:Canada to ban keeping whales, dolphins in captivity
by mcv on Tuesday June 11, 2019 @08:22AM
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Would it be anthropomorphism to consider such a slide out a suicide attempt?
Re:Canada to ban keeping whales, dolphins in captivity
by kekebo on Tuesday June 11, 2019 @08:42AM
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Ric O'Barry, former trainer of the dolphins used for the 'Flipper' TV show (now animal rights activist) tells a story in the documentary 'The Cove' how one of the dolphins swam up to him one day, looked him in the eye, took a last breath and then sank to the bottom of the tank and died [1]. Given that dolphins have to make a conscious choice for every breath they take gives some indication for a conscious decision for suicide.
[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20110926051048/https://blog.sfga...
Re:Canada to ban keeping whales, dolphins in captivity
by misnome on Tuesday June 11, 2019 @09:22AM
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Reportedly also Peter, the dolphin in the Margaret Lovatt research in the 60's https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jun/08/the-dolp...
Re:Canada to ban keeping whales, dolphins in captivity
by bunderbunder on Tuesday June 11, 2019 @08:53AM
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Eh. . . . yeah? I'm not sure that's a very strong criticism. We're much more similar to other mammals than we are different from them, so our understanding of human behavior provides a very strong basis for understanding other animals' behaviors.
There's a whole book about that sort of thing, by a fairly well-respected scientist in the field: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Expression_of_the_Emotions...
> Many cetaceans in captivity develop stereotypies, or unnatural, often purposeless behaviors that can be a manifestation of poor mental health. Such behaviors include repetitive pacing, swaying, head-bobbing or circling, and bar-biting (Cetacean Inspiration, 2011). One of the most prominent stereotypies noticed in these whales is an activity known as slide outs. The whale will slide out of the water and sit motionless, sometimes for 10 minutes at a time (Cetacean Inspiration, 2011). This creates safety issues for the guests of marine mammal parks like SeaWorld. If a whale did this in the wild for too long of a time the weight of the whale could crush its own internal organs (Cetacean Inspiration, 2011).
https://blogs.umass.edu/natsci397a-eross/the-detriments-of-c...