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Re:Apple’s $1000 monitor stand is a massive and unnecessary ... by seibelj on Thursday June 06, 2019 @08:11AM (#20113724)
I don’t understand why they announced the stand during the keynote at all. It’s not something to be proud of and it isn’t cutting-edge technology. They could have just put it for sale quietly and the outrage would have been far less.
Re:Apple’s $1000 monitor stand is a massive and unnecessary ... by save_ferris on Thursday June 06, 2019 @08:34AM (#20113890)
I was somewhat surprised with their entire Mac Pro strategy. With a base tower configuration starting at $6k (about twice what I was expecting), they seemed to signal a shift in what they consider a “pro” user to be.

They’re pretty clearly chasing after the commercial, high-end computing market, but they’ve kinda left the high-end consumer market behind in some ways.

Still no definitive fix to the fly switch keyboards, lots of complaints about other design issues in MacBooks, basic spec bumps in mainstay products like the iMac. All while they continue to (somewhat unjustifiably) raise prices.

The new Mac Pro is the coolest piece of tech they’ve built in a while, and it’s completely unsuited for 99.9% of users. What’s the point in mass-marketing it? It felt like watching a marketing video to buy an airplane or something.

Re:Apple’s $1000 monitor stand is a massive and unnecessary ... by heavymark on Thursday June 06, 2019 @11:09AM (#20115271)
They said all along that the Mac Pro would be for users that the iMac Pro isn't powerful enough. Since the iMac Pro maxes out pretty high, a 3K base Mac Pro would make absolutely not sense as thats not even iMac Pro entry pricing but rather typical pricing for a consumer iMac.
Re:Apple’s $1000 monitor stand is a massive and unnecessary ... by basch on Thursday June 06, 2019 @12:27PM (#20116092)
Not everyone is a fan of having to buy a new screen every time they get a new computer.
Re:Apple’s $1000 monitor stand is a massive and unnecessary ... by CPLX on Thursday June 06, 2019 @04:34PM (#20118856)
Then buy a Mac mini. I have about a dozen of them they're great.
Re:Apple’s $1000 monitor stand is a massive and unnecessary ... by apple4ever on Friday June 07, 2019 @04:53PM (#20128512)
A Mac Mini is a consumer level, medium powered at best device.

It doesn't come close to an iMac or an iMac Pro.

Re:Apple’s $1000 monitor stand is a massive and unnecessary ... by fetus8 on Friday June 07, 2019 @05:02PM (#20128583)
The newest Mac Mini shares the same processors as the current iMac (21 in) and some of the same processors as the 27in version...and has user upgradeable RAM. It's not in the same league as the iMac Pro, but it's def comes close if not surpasses an iMac these days, and a non-upgraded iMac still ships with a spinning disc, where as the non-upgraded Mini's ship with SSDs...
Re:Apple’s $1000 monitor stand is a massive and unnecessary ... by mcphage on Thursday June 06, 2019 @08:47AM (#20114000)
> What’s the point in mass-marketing it? It felt like watching a marketing video to buy an airplane or something.

It's because sites like this have been complaining for years that Apple has left the Pro market behind. This was their response to that. And now this site is switching to complaining that Apple's definition of "Pro" is too "Pro" for us.

Re:Apple’s $1000 monitor stand is a massive and unnecessary ... by wongarsu on Thursday June 06, 2019 @08:53AM (#20114037)
> switching to complaining that Apple's definition of "Pro" is too "Pro" for us.

If by too Pro you mean someone using an 8 core CPU with 32 GB of RAM ...

The higher end models might be great, with some genuine innovation in the GPU interface that to some will justify high prices. But I don't know who the target demographic for a $6k PC with those specs is supposed to be.

Re:Apple’s $1000 monitor stand is a massive and unnecessary ... by onebyteman on Thursday June 06, 2019 @08:58AM (#20114089)
It’s the rich people who can afford not thinking more than twice to make the purchase. If that excludes almost everyone, thats fine. Apple is making a statement that they are still the premium of the premium
Re:Apple’s $1000 monitor stand is a massive and unnecessary ... by save_ferris on Thursday June 06, 2019 @09:54AM (#20114564)
That may be, but their recent decision to no longer disclose per-unit sales for any of their products on earnings calls moving forward doesn't necessarily signal good times ahead. Their revenue for the last 2 quarters is down from the same period a year ago, and there doesn't appear to be anything on the horizon that's going to catapult their earnings back up. iPhone sales have been in decline for a few years now.

They're banking that the margins of these new, higher-end products offsets the sales lost by shrinking their market. The problem with this strategy is that it isn't very sustainable and leaves them vulnerable to losing market share.

Microsoft keeps getting more serious about Linux compatibility, and if they ship a surface pro or something similar that can seriously compete with the MBP, things will get interesting.

Re:Apple’s $1000 monitor stand is a massive and unnecessary ... by mamcx on Thursday June 06, 2019 @09:18AM (#20114245)
"Pro" is NOT a price.

Is features.

Apple was already "expensive" but somehow reachable. Now, the Mac line is more and more out of reach for anyone without deep pockets.

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I could have understand (somehow, still out my reach for a machine >3000) if the Mac Pro was > 10 cores, >= 32 GB, >= 1TB SSD, Vega or Nvidia > 1080

ie: just buy and is already a top of the line (or, what you will do with a base (old) Mac Pro to get to middle config)

Re:Apple’s $1000 monitor stand is a massive and unnecessary ... by save_ferris on Thursday June 06, 2019 @09:01AM (#20114110)
I don’t agree with this.

Most tech professionals I know had lots of misgivings about Apple’s design decisions around the MBP. Mainly, shipping only with usb-c and the Touch Bar, which has been a total dud. Neither of those things were demanded by the market, but apple pushed them anyway. In the process of redesigning the MBP chassis, they introduced numerous design issues which plague them today. Apple baker in a bunch of incorrect assumptions that haven’t planned out for them. The incredibly high sales of refurbished pre-usb-c MBPs really drive this home.

The new Mac Pro, on the other hand, is very clearly designed for users that require massive parallelism and power in their work, which just aren’t most people. How many people need 20 cores? Most users weren’t complaining about the core count in 2016, they were complaining that Apple took a rock-solid product and introduced a bunch of regressions to it.

Re:Apple’s $1000 monitor stand is a massive and unnecessary ... by WalterSear on Thursday June 06, 2019 @11:01AM (#20115188)
It's not pro at all.

This is a homer car made of money.

Re:Apple’s $1000 monitor stand is a massive and unnecessary ... by aloer on Thursday June 06, 2019 @09:14AM (#20114211)
I have not yet seen any speculation about what a full spec mac pro might cost but I would not be surprised if it approaches 100k$. It can also connect to up to 6 screens for 5k$ which means this thing might go up to 130k$ in price, fully specced

The mac pro itself might have never been meant for everyone. Most of the people in the "pro" group didn't know or didn't care that they might only be on the lower end in terms of "proness" and asked for a new mac pro anyways. But I guess Apple considers them already well served with the iMac pro.

Previously I thought the iMac pro would be phased out as soon as a real mac pro is introduced but perhaps Apple will keep it around now.

Re:Apple’s $1000 monitor stand is a massive and unnecessary ... by snazz on Thursday June 06, 2019 @10:08AM (#20114687)
A hundred thousand dollars? Where are you getting that from? It has got to be expensive, but $6k base ($12k with monitor and stand) to $130k fully specced seems exceedingly unlikely. Are the GPUs and 28-core Xeon that expensive? What component causes the sudden jump in price?
Re:Apple’s $1000 monitor stand is a massive and unnecessary ... by jvzr on Thursday June 06, 2019 @10:32AM (#20114895)
1.5 TB ECC RAM for a start. Then the 4 Vega II GPU cards. Add to that the Afterburner card, a terabyte or more of native SSD storage, and possibly more PCIe SSD storage through MPX slot. Yeah, I think you will hit that very easily!

Edit: I couldn't find a single 128 GB DDR4 ECC 2993 MHz DIMM, but the closest I found is the 128 GB DDR4 ECC 2400 MHz DIMM at 2249.99 a piece. Now imagine 12 of those, at higher frequency, with the usual Apple markup. That's already 30 to 40K alone.

Re:Apple’s $1000 monitor stand is a massive and unnecessary ... by snazz on Thursday June 06, 2019 @10:51AM (#20115082)
Okay, you’re not that far off. A similar HP Z8/G4 machine would come in at $53,325, so I could see the Mac with monitors nearing $100,000.
Re:Apple’s $1000 monitor stand is a massive and unnecessary ... by aloer on Thursday June 06, 2019 @10:57AM (#20115147)
I used the hp workstation configurator for their highest priced tier and added 28c Xeon and ram and single v100 and it came out at 56k. I assume the Vega II duo x2 at 28 tflop will be similar to 4x v100 each at 9k so going from there it’s already at 84k.

Add a little extra because it’s apple and I could see it pushing 100k

Re:Apple’s $1000 monitor stand is a massive and unnecessary ... by karmakaze on Thursday June 06, 2019 @12:42PM (#20116245)
> What’s the point in mass-marketing it? It felt like watching a marketing video to buy an airplane or something.

That's exactly what this is. It may sell some units to professionals and high end consumers but it's main value is establishing Apple at the top of the consumer pyramid which works to move all their other products. I remember getting my import Alfa Romeo serviced at the dealer where they also sell Ferraris. It was fun except for paying the same hourly rates.

Re:Apple’s $1000 monitor stand is a massive and unnecessary ... by arthurfm on Friday June 07, 2019 @02:50AM (#20122216)
> With a base tower configuration starting at $6k (about twice what I was expecting)

Should part of the blame for the high price should go towards Intel? The 8-core CPU in the base Mac Pro looks like it might be an Xeon Gold 6244 [1][2] which costs $2925. Obviously Apple will be paying less, but half the cost is the CPU alone.

[1] https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/192442/...

[2] https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/intel/xeon_gold#5200.2F6200-Ser...

Re:Apple’s $1000 monitor stand is a massive and unnecessary ... by bredren on Thursday June 06, 2019 @08:21AM (#20113798)
Apparently decent pivoting, weighted stands are $400. So this is still not outrageously expensive if you are in the market for this type of thing.

Perhaps Apple figured it would be seen through the same eyes as those considering a $12k Mac Pro workstation, and appreciated in a similar way.

Another note: contra-wise, Apple did flirt with “luxury” watches for a time. Though I think they gave up on that direction.

Re:Apple’s $1000 monitor stand is a massive and unnecessary ... by wongarsu on Thursday June 06, 2019 @08:37AM (#20113923)
My $200 pivoting stand came with an entire screen for free.

Granted, it's not nearly as nice as Apple's stand. But I suspect the reception would have been a lot better if the narrative was "the $5000 screen comes with an ok stand, the great one is $1000 extra" instead of "lol, the $5000 screen is useless unless you buy a $120 Vesa mount plus some off-brand stand, or the $1000 official stand"

Re:Apple’s $1000 monitor stand is a massive and unnecessary ... by falcolas on Thursday June 06, 2019 @08:54AM (#20114043)
My $200, 6 year old stand came with one too, and it even includes the ability to raise and lower the screen, plus the 90° rotation. And wait, there’s more! It also pivots.

Underwhelming indeed.

Re:Apple’s $1000 monitor stand is a massive and unnecessary ... by bredren on Thursday June 06, 2019 @09:59AM (#20114607)
My Dell P2715Q also came with its own stand, and it is sufficient for me.

But if you are using a six year old, $200 monitor you're not the market for a display like this.

Counterbalanced, Humanscale stands go for $400+ Nice equipment is expensive--it is the whole point of this release.

https://www.humanscale.com/products/product.cfm?group=m10

Re:Apple’s $1000 monitor stand is a massive and unnecessary ... by falcolas on Thursday June 06, 2019 @10:46AM (#20115030)
I'm not talking about the monitor, I'm talking about the VESA compatible stand. It just happened to come with a really nice monitor as well. :)
Re:Apple’s $1000 monitor stand is a massive and unnecessary ... by anthony_romeo on Thursday June 06, 2019 @09:07AM (#20114157)
I'm not in the market for this kind of thing, but if I were (and iff the stand is actually superior to competitors') I could see some justification for buying it.

Though I don't own a Macbook, there's one aspect that I truly love about them: you can open the laptop easily with one hand. The vast majority of laptops I've come across require two hands. It's a rather minor detail, but as a result it smooths out an equally minor nitpick that I have with other laptops. For many, little details like that are worth the extra money.

For example: There's a Dell laptop to the side of my desk. Opening it one-handed causes the lid to open slightly, but then the base starts to rise. I need to either stick my hand inside a bit and wedge it open (which is a little more strenuous than I'd like) or use my other hand to pry it open (which feels fiddly and requires rotating my chair or adjusting my seating position).

I don't know enough about fancy monitor stands to judge Apple's stand, but generally: if I needed to perform work that required adjusting my monitor a few times a day, there would be a quite a bit of value in buying a monitor stand that makes the process somewhat easier.

Re:Apple’s $1000 monitor stand is a massive and unnecessary ... by 013a on Thursday June 06, 2019 @09:09AM (#20114177)
I think the bigger concern is that, as far as we know, the Pro Display literally does not come with a stand. You can't even VESA mount it without the $200 addon. It'd be one thing if the $1000 stand was an upgrade from a basic static stand included in the box, but there's no indication that this is the case.
Re:Apple’s $1000 monitor stand is a massive and unnecessary ... by nabla9 on Thursday June 06, 2019 @09:02AM (#20114111)
Its' $1000 monitor stand with magnetic connector (no screws) that replaces Vesa. It makes it easier to move expensive monitors around regularly.

It's sold for professionals who use it with $5000 Apple Pro Display XDR. It's 6K monitor with 1,000 nits brightness (1,600 nits peak). Typically reference monitor of that caliber sells for $30,000 - $40,000. (check the price for Sony BVM-HX310 31" 4K HDR)

They could have added $1000 for the monitor price and given the stand with the monitor. Then those who can afford $5000 but not $6000 would have suffered in silence.

Internet is reactionary outrage machine.

Re:Apple’s $1000 monitor stand is a massive and unnecessary ... by exxybebbi on Thursday June 06, 2019 @09:04AM (#20114135)
The stand is a very calculated way to dampen the price tag on the computer. It's psychological warfare.
Re:Apple’s $1000 monitor stand is a massive and unnecessary ... by Traster on Thursday June 06, 2019 @08:40AM (#20113947)
I think if you don't call it out as a separately sold product at a high price people would feel misled.