China Has Whole Towns Focused on Making Electric Cars

Re:China Has Whole Towns Focused on Making Electric Cars by molteanu on Monday June 03, 2019 @10:32AM (#20083466)

This, together with this comment [..] especially in the German speaking part of Europe, are still run like factories, barely have flexible working hours and don't even want to hear about remote work as managers prefer having a close eye on employees at all time. from a previous HN discussion [1], has made me wonder if there is any Chinese market for remote SW developers from the other parts of the world.

It seems like the Chinese run at the speed of light these days while I'm still left to do Jira's and time sheets and bug hunting and colleagues that are really not that interested in anything software related at the same old 9-5 job.

Is China a viable alternative? Do you have any experience working with Chinese companies, startups, sw shops, etc?

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20082232

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Re:China Has Whole Towns Focused on Making Electric Cars by marsRoverDev on Monday June 03, 2019 @10:38AM (#20083527)

https://github.com/996icu/996.ICU

9am-9pm, 6 days a week for $41k a year.

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Re:China Has Whole Towns Focused on Making Electric Cars by molteanu on Monday June 03, 2019 @10:42AM (#20083579)

The infamous 996 that has even the Chinese authorities worried [1]. Yeah, forgot about that. Thanks for the reminder.

[1] https://www.scmp.com/tech/start-ups/article/3005947/quantity...

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Re:China Has Whole Towns Focused on Making Electric Cars by icxa on Monday June 03, 2019 @10:57AM (#20083764)

Another good article from the same site about this issue:

https://www.scmp.com/tech/apps-social/article/3002533/no-sle...

Some are trying the "996" every other week thing now.

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Re:China Has Whole Towns Focused on Making Electric Cars by molteanu on Monday June 03, 2019 @10:59AM (#20083782)

Yes, I remember that from a previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19513727

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Re:China Has Whole Towns Focused on Making Electric Cars by gpetukhov on Monday June 03, 2019 @12:05PM (#20084689)

I am a software dev in Bytedance (company that created Tiktok) in Shenzhen. In general I like it here. The company is listening to feedback, coworkers are very friendly, and the work is challenging with good pay, I am definitely learning a lot here. Having said that, the workload is quite heavy - we have to work every other Sunday (Saturdays always off). If you are interested in a referral drop me an email at georgy [at] bytedance(dot)com. We have devs in the US as well.

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Re:China Has Whole Towns Focused on Making Electric Cars by chillacy on Monday June 03, 2019 @12:14PM (#20084832)

What’s compensation like? Competitive with US companies? Equity awards?

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Re:China Has Whole Towns Focused on Making Electric Cars by stickfigure on Monday June 03, 2019 @11:15AM (#20084006)

It seems like the Chinese run at the speed of light these days

What native Chinese-built software products have done well outside of China?

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Re:China Has Whole Towns Focused on Making Electric Cars by NikolaeVarius on Monday June 03, 2019 @11:47AM (#20084466)

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/24/technology/ecuador-survei...

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Re:China Has Whole Towns Focused on Making Electric Cars by londons_explore on Monday June 03, 2019 @11:36AM (#20084308)

Tiktok

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Re:China Has Whole Towns Focused on Making Electric Cars by CharlesColeman on Monday June 03, 2019 @11:52AM (#20084534)

Though that seems to have been built on the back of a massively expensive advertising blitz:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2019-04-18/tiktok-br...:

> ...[Bytedance] is spending hundreds of millions of dollars to advertise on Facebook in the hope of luring away more users. Over the past three months, for instance, 13 percent of all the ads seen by users of Facebook’s Android app were for TikTok, says app-analytics firm Apptopia.

That's been their MO in China as well. IIRC, the mainland Chinese version, Douyin, was being heavily and repeatedly promoted with the Chinese equivalent of ads during the Superbowl.

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Re:China Has Whole Towns Focused on Making Electric Cars by chillacy on Monday June 03, 2019 @12:16PM (#20084851)

Remember when Venmo

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Re:China Has Whole Towns Focused on Making Electric Cars by Bakary on Monday June 03, 2019 @11:11AM (#20083948)

After having lived in various places in China I would say that the most important criteria to consider is whether you'd actually enjoy living there.

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Re:China Has Whole Towns Focused on Making Electric Cars by seanmcdirmid on Monday June 03, 2019 @12:03PM (#20084662)

You might be disappointed with Chinese companies who still make their devs clock in and out the old fashioned way.

Sounds like your job just sucks, you could find a better one in the states, China is always an option also but try foreign companies there first for a better work life balance.

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Re:China Has Whole Towns Focused on Making Electric Cars by lvturner on Monday June 03, 2019 @10:40AM (#20083550)

Haven't worked for Chinese owned ones per say, but have worked in China, I would say it's very viable. Singapore, Hong Kong and Taiwan are also worth looking at - though the cost of living in HK is astronomical.

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Re:China Has Whole Towns Focused on Making Electric Cars by seanmcdirmid on Monday June 03, 2019 @12:05PM (#20084688)

HK and Taiwan don’t pay their devs very well (they value other things, not software). If you are American, Singapore might be difficult also unless you have a good tax accountant. China on balance provides the best deal in Asia for programmers.

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Re:China Has Whole Towns Focused on Making Electric Cars by molteanu on Monday June 03, 2019 @10:45AM (#20083604)

I'm not considering a move to China or those parts of the world. But since they're moving at such high speeds, I'm betting their workforce needs are quite high, so "every help we can get" should be a good motto.

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Re:China Has Whole Towns Focused on Making Electric Cars by oblio on Monday June 03, 2019 @11:14AM (#20083989)

Their workforce is huge and very competitive. Also, they probably speak Mandarin in their big companies...

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