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Re:10-Year Treasury Constant Maturity Minus 3-Month Treasury... by bradleyjg on Sunday June 02, 2019 @02:31PM (#20077132)
Given that every reliable trading signal inevitably gets arb’ed away why does everyone and his brother think this one must be rock solid?
Re:10-Year Treasury Constant Maturity Minus 3-Month Treasury... by panarky on Sunday June 02, 2019 @02:46PM (#20077210)
Short-term trading signals are frequently arb'ed away.

But long-term structural patterns take far more capital to arbitrage and your position can be deep under water for years at a time.

There just isn't that much patient capital.

Re:10-Year Treasury Constant Maturity Minus 3-Month Treasury... by nickles on Sunday June 02, 2019 @02:53PM (#20077247)
> Short-term trading signals are systematically arb'ed away

This isn't necessarily true. There are demonstrable, persistent calendar effects that can be reliably traded. Such trading can be thought of as a service being provided to market participants for a fee (e.g. balance sheet as a service).

Re:10-Year Treasury Constant Maturity Minus 3-Month Treasury... by lbotos on Sunday June 02, 2019 @03:43PM (#20077581)
Examples? I believe you, just wanna think about this more.
Re:10-Year Treasury Constant Maturity Minus 3-Month Treasury... by nickles on Sunday June 02, 2019 @03:47PM (#20077619)
I apologize for not being more specific, but that was deliberate. Please trust that there are very real phenomena that can be monetized.

One example of a calendar effect that is likely not easily monetized is the 'Christmas effect' for VIX [0] due to decreases in trading activity.

[0] https://jai.iijournals.com/content/20/2/65

Re:10-Year Treasury Constant Maturity Minus 3-Month Treasury... by vasilipupkin on Sunday June 02, 2019 @02:46PM (#20077207)
This isn’t a trading signal, so you can’t arb it away.
Re:10-Year Treasury Constant Maturity Minus 3-Month Treasury... by nickles on Sunday June 02, 2019 @02:49PM (#20077218)
This signal is typically only indicative in the United States, as the Fed doesn't officially factor it into the decision making process. Other central banks consider it, so it does not seem to have the same predictive power.

The treasury market reflects demand for 'risk-free' securities, which functionally serve as bank accounts for corporate entities without access to bank reserves on the Fed's balance sheet. When market participants expect rate cuts in the future, long term assets with a locked in yield become more attractive to hold relative to short tenors, as the short dated treasuries need to be rolled more frequently.

Additionally, it may be that the curve inversion itself causes greater expense in short term funding (e.g. overnight), leading to potential contractions in economic activity.

Re:10-Year Treasury Constant Maturity Minus 3-Month Treasury... by lordnacho on Sunday June 02, 2019 @06:23PM (#20078707)
Ex quant trader here.

There's no arbitrage in the strict sense, that's clear.

But there's none in the statistical sense, either. Yield curve inversion doesn't happen all that often, how are you going to confidently bet that what happened the last few times will happen again this time, given that n is so low and there's always the issue of regime change?

Re:10-Year Treasury Constant Maturity Minus 3-Month Treasury... by bradleyjg on Sunday June 02, 2019 @07:11PM (#20079018)
Yes, that’s exactly why pundits shouldn’t be so confident. All the same reasons for uncertainty apply to investors and pundits alike—-but confidence in punditry garners little risk.
Re:10-Year Treasury Constant Maturity Minus 3-Month Treasury... by inflatableDodo on Sunday June 02, 2019 @02:51PM (#20077235)
Someone please correct me if I have misunderstood anything here, but having a better rate for a bond that matures after 3 months, than for one that matures after 10 years, is definitely a bit odd.
Re:10-Year Treasury Constant Maturity Minus 3-Month Treasury... by nickles on Sunday June 02, 2019 @02:56PM (#20077262)
If you purchase a 3m treasury bill, you will have to roll your capital into another in 3 months. If you expect the Fed to cut rates in the interim, you will receive a lower yield on that bill. The discount on the bill helps compensate for that risk.
Re:10-Year Treasury Constant Maturity Minus 3-Month Treasury... by inflatableDodo on Sunday June 02, 2019 @03:18PM (#20077408)
I suppose the fed could cut rates in the next three months, however currently they are mostly making noises about not moving it up or down. Other people's current predictions on this are all over the place and seem more dependent on what each author would prefer than neccessarily any reality. I can find mainstream articles telling me why the fed must move rates up and others that insist that they must move them down. This makes me suspect that the fed is probably going to remain roughly fixed, at least for a bit.
Re:10-Year Treasury Constant Maturity Minus 3-Month Treasury... by nickles on Sunday June 02, 2019 @03:29PM (#20077479)
> Other people's current predictions on this are all over the place and seem more dependent on what each author would prefer than neccessarily any reality.

Expectations of Fed rate hikes and cuts are reflected in the fed funds futures market, where participants estimate future values of the fed funds rate. Currently, the market implies a 94% chance of at least one rate cut by December [0].

[0] https://www.cmegroup.com/trading/interest-rates/countdown-to...

Re:10-Year Treasury Constant Maturity Minus 3-Month Treasury... by jpalomaki on Sunday June 02, 2019 @04:50PM (#20078075)
Financial Times [1] points out the risk of trade war with China/Mexico and the economic slowdown this would cause is leading investors to expect Fed will have to cut rates.

[1] https://www.google.fi/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/855d23e2-83b7...

Re:10-Year Treasury Constant Maturity Minus 3-Month Treasury... by jerrybee on Sunday June 02, 2019 @02:55PM (#20077256)
It’s not odd if you think that interest rates will go down in the future. If you believe that then you should buy longer term bonds to lock in the higher rate now.
Re:10-Year Treasury Constant Maturity Minus 3-Month Treasury... by tntn on Sunday June 02, 2019 @02:46PM (#20077205)
There's no better way to get a recession than to have everyone acting like there is going to be a recession. Yield inversion indicates the market is starting to think there is going to be one.