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Re:Chrome extension manifest v3 proposal: comment from uBloc... by sametmax on Thursday May 30, 2019 @08:37AM (#20050508)
Same for youtube. The mobile youtube site experience is subpart compared to the app, but the app is bombarding you with ads you can't block.
Re:Chrome extension manifest v3 proposal: comment from uBloc... by phoe-krk on Thursday May 30, 2019 @08:38AM (#20050515)
Re:Chrome extension manifest v3 proposal: comment from uBloc... by japanoise on Thursday May 30, 2019 @08:48AM (#20050579)
Second a vote for newpipe and add that it supports downloads, play in background, etc.
Re:Chrome extension manifest v3 proposal: comment from uBloc... by ce4 on Thursday May 30, 2019 @09:49AM (#20051083)
Newpipe often breaks and fdroid is slow to update...

there's also the Background video playback fix add-on for FF, works really well.

https://addons.mozilla.org/de/android/addon/video-background...

Re:Chrome extension manifest v3 proposal: comment from uBloc... by midnightGhost on Thursday May 30, 2019 @03:57PM (#20055313)
YouTube Vanced is good.

https://vanced.app/

Re:Chrome extension manifest v3 proposal: comment from uBloc... by sinancan2 on Thursday May 30, 2019 @05:12PM (#20055967)
I worry that this could cause one's Google account to be closed.
Re:Chrome extension manifest v3 proposal: comment from uBloc... by sametmax on Thursday May 30, 2019 @01:02PM (#20053356)
Thank you.
Re:Chrome extension manifest v3 proposal: comment from uBloc... by coldpie on Thursday May 30, 2019 @09:05AM (#20050736)
I loathe advertising as a business model and block it everywhere I can. But I understand that content isn't free, so when I am given a reasonable option to pay for content, I do. YouTube gives you the option to pay $10/month to remove ads from YouTube, so I do that. I understand if others don't think $10/mo is worth it, but I think it is a fair ask.
Re:Chrome extension manifest v3 proposal: comment from uBloc... by Wowfunhappy on Thursday May 30, 2019 @12:14PM (#20052699)
What bothers me is that usually when sites offer a paid ad-free option, their prices are very much not what I would consider reasonable. "Reasonable" would be the amount necessary to offset the revenue lost from a lack of ad views, plus a little extra.

$10 per month is nearly the cost of a Netflix subscription. There is no way Youtube generates anywhere close to that much in ad revenue per user per month.

Re:Chrome extension manifest v3 proposal: comment from uBloc... by hollerith on Thursday May 30, 2019 @01:42PM (#20053892)
>There is no way Youtube generates anywhere close to that much in ad revenue per user per month.

What is your basis for believing that?

Re:Chrome extension manifest v3 proposal: comment from uBloc... by Wowfunhappy on Thursday May 30, 2019 @02:22PM (#20054344)
This is hardly my area of expertise, but my understanding was that banner ads generate less than a penny per view. I'm sure video ads are worth much more, but I'm finding it quite hard to believe that could add up to $10 per month for even a heavy single user.

If this is all terribly off-base, let me know.

Re:Chrome extension manifest v3 proposal: comment from uBloc... by tracker1 on Thursday May 30, 2019 @02:14PM (#20054248)
I watch about 2-3 hours of YouTube creator content a day... far more than Netflix. Can't say for what my actual offset is, but the $10 is worth it to me.
Re:Chrome extension manifest v3 proposal: comment from uBloc... by Wowfunhappy on Thursday May 30, 2019 @02:24PM (#20054363)
I see this as a factor of quality over quantity. Stranger Things is worth a lot more to me than a how-to video or product review, and rightly so, given the budgets involved in making each.

I want to note, though, that this also goes for much more than Youtube. I read a lot of Vox Media websites, and I'd gladly pay for an ad-free subscription—but not for more than $10 per year (and less if it was just the individual sites, rather than a package). Unless I'm quite mistaken, that should more than make up for their lost ad revenue.

I don't want to be stingy, but I also read a wide variety of different sources, and all these subscription costs ad up. I also just don't think freedom from ads should cost so much more than the ads are apparently worth.

Re:Chrome extension manifest v3 proposal: comment from uBloc... by cosmie on Thursday May 30, 2019 @06:06PM (#20056404)
> Unless I'm quite mistaken, that should more than make up for their lost ad revenue.

It's not just the ad revenue itself that has to be replaced.

In addition to that, you have substantial costs baked into supporting a subscriber program. Customer service costs, payment processing fees, development effort to manage your subscriber system itself, incremental development and creative costs to ensure your wireframes and functionality account for the ad-free and ad-filled versions (which may include multiple form factors and platforms for content delivery), marketing related costs (be it marketing labor, development labor, conversion rate optimization labor, etc) for user acquisition and retention work, and additional complexity in ensuring harmony between what you promise in your subscriber contract and what promises you're making in your advertising/data brokerage contracts.

In addition to all that overhead, the people that pay for subscriptions are those with disposable income to pay for subscriptions. Which substantially overlaps with who advertisers want to reach. So the more valuable part of your audience pool is self-selecting out of your advertising pool, which exposes you to substantial risk of devaluing your advertising pool and the CPMs you can command overall far in excess of the value of any single individuals ad- and data- related revenue (which only gets worse as your paid subscriber base gets larger and more noticeably absent from your advertising pool).

So you take on risk at the beginning in the form of overhead, and as your subscriber base scales the overhead becomes less of an issue as it's amortized across a larger base. But your risk itself still exists, it just shifts over to the advertising side of the house where your addressable audience is becoming less and less valuable (or maybe even just less in volume, if not in value).

And after all that, if they just broke even it wouldn't be worth the risk. So in addition to just paying for your equivalent value to an advertiser that month, you're paying for that + a portion of the overhead and incremental costs it takes to support the ad-free version + a portion of the long term devaluation of the advertising pool that results from having an ad-free version + a bit of profit to ensure it was all worth the hassle to begin with.

Re:Chrome extension manifest v3 proposal: comment from uBloc... by tracker1 on Thursday May 30, 2019 @03:55PM (#20055287)
I'm not just watching product reviews, etc... however, there's also a matter of scale. Even if it cost 1:10000th the funds per episode of a YouTube channel vs Stranger Things, they also make 1:10000th the money from it, give or take. Just like programmer books cost more than novels because they don't have as many buyers.

I agree that they all add up, and I've dropped a few this past year. I'm just pointing out that I find more value in the YouTube content I do watch than I do from other sources in terms of the time I spend watching.

Re:Chrome extension manifest v3 proposal: comment from uBloc... by judge2020 on Thursday May 30, 2019 @10:24AM (#20051413)
I wish Google did this for regular ads. I doubt they'd stop tracking you (videos while paying for YT premium still contributes to your ad profile for when you cancel it later) but even $25/month for no ads across all of the internet (while signed in) would be amazing.

Maybe there would be two tiers; $20 a month for just "Google" ads, and $40+ a month for all ads to be removed (Via AdChoices).

Re:Chrome extension manifest v3 proposal: comment from uBloc... by yegle on Thursday May 30, 2019 @10:49AM (#20051738)
There was an effort https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Contributor which worked very well: you set a monthly budget just like advertisers, and you participate in the bidding of ads on the website you are visiting. If you win the bidding, the ad will be replaced by a static image.

Sadly this was turned down and the new version of Google Contributor only works on some websites.

Re:Chrome extension manifest v3 proposal: comment from uBloc... by coldpie on Thursday May 30, 2019 @10:33AM (#20051528)
Strongly agreed! There are some weird outcomes regarding privacy and NoScript interactions with the "all ads" proposal. I'd be happy to just pay to remove ads from Google properties (Gmail, Maps, etc). But yes, anything where I can exchange money in return for no ads is something I'm happy to support.
Re:Chrome extension manifest v3 proposal: comment from uBloc... by leereeves on Thursday May 30, 2019 @09:18AM (#20050829)
What percentage of that goes to the creators?
Re:Chrome extension manifest v3 proposal: comment from uBloc... by warp on Thursday May 30, 2019 @09:39AM (#20050987)
"The Majority", so I guess at least 50% :)

> Currently, new revenue from YouTube Premium membership fees is distributed to video creators based on how much members watch your content. As with our advertising business, the majority of the revenue will go to creators.

From: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6306276?hl=en

EDIT: found this: https://www.reddit.com/r/PartneredYoutube/comments/9mj13u/sh...

According to them, a view from a Youtube Premium user nets them 36x more money than a view from an Ad viewing user.

Re:Chrome extension manifest v3 proposal: comment from uBloc... by sametmax on Thursday May 30, 2019 @02:00PM (#20054121)
> According to them, a view from a Youtube Premium user nets them 36x more money than a view from an Ad viewing user.

So we are overpriced 36 times for the privilege of not viewing ads ?

Re:Chrome extension manifest v3 proposal: comment from uBloc... by tracker1 on Thursday May 30, 2019 @02:16PM (#20054280)
Wonder how it works with "demonetized" content... If I'm paying, I'd still like the creator to be paid for what I watch.
Re:Chrome extension manifest v3 proposal: comment from uBloc... by teddyfrozevelt on Friday May 31, 2019 @06:30AM (#20059673)
Demonetized videos still get YouTube Premium revenue.
Re:Chrome extension manifest v3 proposal: comment from uBloc... by coldpie on Thursday May 30, 2019 @09:36AM (#20050963)
I don't know, and most of the articles that turn up on a quick search are from the very launch of YouTube Red, so their speculation may not have held up in practice. My understanding is, creators get more revenue from Red viewers than from ad-backed viewers. However, I also support many of the creators directly on Patreon, and YouTube itself provides value to me which I don't mind paying for (high quality and actively developed app; decent discoverability features; bandwidth ain't free).
Re:Chrome extension manifest v3 proposal: comment from uBloc... by auiya on Thursday May 30, 2019 @08:46AM (#20050563)
I pay for YouTube music, which also removes ads anywhere you are using YouTube with your logged in account. I was testing YT Music as a replacement for Spotify (since push notifications are broken and they apparently have no intention to fix). The YouTube experience of paid vs. non-paid is night and day, I highly recommend it.
Re:Chrome extension manifest v3 proposal: comment from uBloc... by tetris11 on Thursday May 30, 2019 @08:58AM (#20050658)
That's the point. The bullies let you free if you cough up your lunch money on the way to the only cafeteria around.
Re:Chrome extension manifest v3 proposal: comment from uBloc... by auiya on Thursday May 30, 2019 @09:53AM (#20051114)
No such thing as a free lunch. Nobody is forcing you to use their service either.
Re:Chrome extension manifest v3 proposal: comment from uBloc... by fernandotakai on Thursday May 30, 2019 @09:55AM (#20051135)
you know that content (specially well made content on youtube) is not free right? content creators spend money to create stuff for you to see.

so now, they need to recoup the money, or even better, earn a living through content they create. that's done either by ads, youtube premium or stuff like patreon.

would prefer that your favorite content creators stopped doing stuff you like because they can't earn a single cent on stuff they do?

Re:Chrome extension manifest v3 proposal: comment from uBloc... by diveanon on Thursday May 30, 2019 @08:54AM (#20050622)
Unpaid YouTube is a train wreck, it will place an ad mid song and completely wreck any sense of narrative in an otherwise great scene.

I download all my music from YouTube now and don't have to deal with their poorly thought out ux.

Re:Chrome extension manifest v3 proposal: comment from uBloc... by badwetter on Thursday May 30, 2019 @08:42PM (#20057332)
>I pay for YouTube music, which also removes ads anywhere you are using YouTube with your logged in account

That hasn't been my experience (using GMusic) — Only on Music Videos do I not get advertisements. But I get them on everything else on Youtube.

Re:Chrome extension manifest v3 proposal: comment from uBloc... by adar on Thursday May 30, 2019 @11:50PM (#20058095)
Not sure what GMusic is, but you should not be seeing ads on Youtube if you're paying for Youtube Music.
Re:Chrome extension manifest v3 proposal: comment from uBloc... by drewg123 on Thursday May 30, 2019 @09:08AM (#20050760)
I discovered newpipe during the Amazon / Google spat when YT was disabled on my Amazon tablet. I've decided to just stick with it, since it blocks all ads, and has (IMHO) a nicer playback UI.