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Re:If the number of children is not growing, why is the popu... by rayiner on Wednesday May 29, 2019 @08:48AM (#20039468)
> Counting everyone born to Muslim parents as Muslim doesn't make any more sense

That is, in fact, exactly how it’s defined within that religion. Also, using Egypt as an example is deeply ironic: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZIqdrFeFBk

Re:If the number of children is not growing, why is the popu... by simonh on Wednesday May 29, 2019 @09:26AM (#20039859)
Why ironic? To this day the Hijab is not required in Egypt.

Why should someone not in a religion care how that religion defines things? I'm not quite clear what you're trying to say here.

Re:If the number of children is not growing, why is the popu... by rayiner on Wednesday May 29, 2019 @09:39AM (#20039983)
You need to be aware of how the religion defines things because that definition has teeth for people actually living in those countries. The punishment for leaving (apostasy) is generally death. A third of people in the country where I’m from believe that really should be the punishment. (And it’s one of the “moderate” ones—in Egypt it’s about 2/3.) It’s a self-perpetuating system, which goes to the soundness of OP’s counting methodology above.

In Egypt, the rate of wearing some form of veil went from almost zero in the middle of the 20th century to 90% today. For the most part, that trend is enforced through various degrees of social coercion.

Re:If the number of children is not growing, why is the popu... by pbhjpbhj on Wednesday May 29, 2019 @10:56AM (#20040915)
>A third of people in the country where I’m from believe that really should be the punishment. //

It's not just apostasy that's considered punishable by death though, "encouraging it" is too, AIUI. So what proportion of those people are just scared that their objection to death penalties will be considered to be support for apostasy and so they'll die. I mean who would answer "no" if there's any possibility that it might lead to your death or even just the persecution of you and your family?

"There's no compulsion in Islam" every Islam supporter online tells me.

Re:If the number of children is not growing, why is the popu... by g8oz on Wednesday May 29, 2019 @10:21AM (#20040498)
Re:If the number of children is not growing, why is the popu... by rayiner on Wednesday May 29, 2019 @10:42AM (#20040750)
In those countries there is a big divide between the liberal elite, which tends to be more secular, and everyone else. But any “coercion” caused by classist attitudes pales to the coercion on the other side. To put that article in context for our American readers: it’s like someone writing an article about how someone from rural Georgia went to Atlanta and someone mocked their accent. Except it’s written against the backdrop of the state passing the heartbeat abortion law.
Re:If the number of children is not growing, why is the popu... by g8oz on Wednesday May 29, 2019 @11:23AM (#20041232)
On another note, when does influence become coercion? Is it only when it results in choices that the forces of global hegemony disagree with? Too many people are convinced that decision to wear a hijab can not be an authentically free one. It's very patronising.
Re:If the number of children is not growing, why is the popu... by rayiner on Wednesday May 29, 2019 @11:35AM (#20041383)
Re:If the number of children is not growing, why is the popu... by g8oz on Wednesday May 29, 2019 @12:45PM (#20042408)
Wow, it's almost as if Muslim women have a variety of opinions on the subject.
Re:If the number of children is not growing, why is the popu... by simonh on Wednesday May 29, 2019 @12:10PM (#20041939)
I don't see how this is relevant to the point. So Islamic law says that these people who are increasingly not praying, not attending mosque and don't support Sharia law and to the point don't believe apostates should be killed, are still Muslims.

So what? Why should I care? What point are you trying to make?