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Re:How some cities became rat-free zones by harimau777 on Sunday May 26, 2019 @06:38PM (#20018028)
I definitely agree that trying to just eliminate nature from our cities is going to have negative consequences. And from what I understand, the mechanisms behind many of the ways we kill rodents (e.g. anticoagulant poison and sticky paper) seem inhumane.

I'll have to look into if there have been studies on more systemic approaches to managing animal populations. Things like changing how/where food waste is stored.

Would you oppose lethal approaches to rodent control if they were more limited and directed? For example, a warehouse getting a cat or setting out some mouse traps.

Re:How some cities became rat-free zones by WalterBright on Sunday May 26, 2019 @07:04PM (#20018127)
I have this book:

https://www.amazon.com/Common-Sense-Pest-Control-Least-Toxic...

Sounds like what you're looking for. I've used its recommendations in the house I built, with good results. (For example, instead of foam I used a metal sill plate, which prevents insects from coming up through cracks in the foundation into the wood structure.)

Re:How some cities became rat-free zones by jacquesm on Monday May 27, 2019 @02:33AM (#20019890)
Interesting! What kind of metal did you use and did you have to install some kind of sacrificial anode to ensure that it won't oxidize away over the decades?
Re:How some cities became rat-free zones by WalterBright on Monday May 27, 2019 @03:06AM (#20020056)
I used stainless steel sheet. Where the anchor bolts were, a largish hole was punched in the sill plate so the stainless wasn't in contact with the iron, which would have resulted in galvanic corrosion.

The contractor groused about it, because he wasn't used to doing things that way. But he got excited about it after a while, and on his own fabricated stainless steel inserts that the windows would fit into that would prevent any leaks and rot around the windows. He was pretty proud of his work :-)

Another thing the book recommended was putting ground glass into the concrete mix, as rats won't chew it. But I didn't go that far.

The main thing is to make sure any gaps and vents have wire screens. Mice can get in where the plumbing enters the house, you can stop that by ramming steel wool between the pipe and the house.

Re:How some cities became rat-free zones by forgotmypw on Sunday May 26, 2019 @07:56PM (#20018429)
Cats are very effective, and their smell acts as a deterrent.

Traps and poison are inhumane, cruel, and just bad karma, and usually come back to bite us somehow.

I think the solution is to tolerate and even appreciate the rats, and learn to share space with them.

Re:How some cities became rat-free zones by Consultant32452 on Sunday May 26, 2019 @08:25PM (#20018553)
Why is a rat trap less humane than intentionally bringing in a predator known for torturing its prey?
Re:How some cities became rat-free zones by smegger001 on Monday May 27, 2019 @05:16AM (#20020610)
Depends on the trap I would say. One that generally rapidly kills is fine but say sticky traps are cruel. Traps where the animal is stuck in place unable to move and slowly dies of dehydration/starvation that is just sadistic.
Re:How some cities became rat-free zones by darkpuma on Monday May 27, 2019 @10:59PM (#20026880)
That's a pretty popular viewpoint to be honest. Glue traps aren't even particularly effective, and neither are they particularly reusable. So in addition to being cruel they just aren't a good deal for the money you'll spend.

Drown traps (using any number of mechanisms to dunk rodents into a bucket of water from which they cannot escape) might be a bit rough ethically though I think much better than glue traps. Additionally they're many times more effective, fully re-usable, and you can make them basically for free with a few scraps laying around in your garage. One method that works well on mice and other small rodents (though not so much on norway rats which are incredibly clever) is as simple as floating a layer of seeds on top of the water. The rodents jump in to get the seeds, not realizing that the seeds were floating on water. A bag of bird seed, a bucket and some water are all you need for that sort of trap and although death isn't instant, it's a lot faster than with a glue trap.