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Re:Foreign Minister Taro Kono to ask media to switch order o... by HuShifang on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @01:13PM (#19972163)
Agree. This is, actually, a regular (if not standard) practice in many domains of academic bibliography for Chinese authors (which is useful, as some individuals with Chinese personal and family names working in Anglophone contexts do follow the English convention of putting personal names first -- meaning that you often can't tell which is the personal and which is the family name in pinyin, e.g. "Li Jia")

Fun fact: Han Chinese surnames are almost always one character, but there are a very few that are two characters[1] -- usually, they're very old, very aristocratic names. E.g. "Sima 司馬", "Ouyang 歐陽", and "Zhuge 諸葛".

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_compound_surname

Re:Foreign Minister Taro Kono to ask media to switch order o... by jasonjei on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @01:32PM (#19972413)
I have seen emails from Japanese colleagues where the last name is capitalized for clarity.

Capitalization is particularly useful for Chinese names where names are not written in Chinese symbols (hanzi/漢字) because the romanized names could be ambiguous as to what is the first name; for example: 江劉鋒 JIANG Liufeng (where both Jiang and Liu could be potential Chinese surnames)

Re:Foreign Minister Taro Kono to ask media to switch order o... by thaumasiotes on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @04:01PM (#19974290)
> the romanized names could be ambiguous as to what is the first name; for example: 江劉鋒 JIANG Liufeng (where both Jiang and Liu could be potential Chinese surnames)

On the other hand, it'd be pretty hard for the surname to occur in the middle of the name, where you have the 刘.

Re:Foreign Minister Taro Kono to ask media to switch order o... by jasonjei on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @05:14PM (#19975127)
「劉」is being used as part of a first name in this case.
Re:Foreign Minister Taro Kono to ask media to switch order o... by thaumasiotes on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @06:09PM (#19975639)
Yes, but I don't see what the ambiguity is supposed to be. How would you interpret the name such that the 劉 wasn't part of the given name?
Re:Foreign Minister Taro Kono to ask media to switch order o... by jasonjei on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @06:26PM (#19975766)
On the Uber app, they only provide the given name and not the full surname. I mistakenly thought my driver was surnamed LIU, when his actual surname is JIANG. Just pointing an anecdote when I was in Taiwan
Re:Foreign Minister Taro Kono to ask media to switch order o... by paulific on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @06:38PM (#19975853)
If you only hear it spoken, or you don't understand the naming convention and start making guesses about what you think is going on. People in countries where middle names are normal also tend to make the assume that one of the syllables is a middle name.
Re:Foreign Minister Taro Kono to ask media to switch order o... by thaumasiotes on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @01:24AM (#19978041)
> People in countries where middle names are normal also tend to make the assume that one of the syllables is a middle name.

Some Chinese do think of it that way.

Re:Foreign Minister Taro Kono to ask media to switch order o... by midhir on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @02:03PM (#19972868)
That's interesting, I thought the given name in Chinese was almost always two characters. Is this not the case?

我是中文学生 :)

Funnily the first thing you learn in Chinese is how to say who you are. But there's very little help with actually picking a Chinese name!

Re:Foreign Minister Taro Kono to ask media to switch order o... by sohkamyung on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @10:58PM (#19977333)
It's not for Malaysian born Chinese. We usually have three names. For example, mine is SOH Kam Yung:

SOH - family name

Kam - 'generational' name (same as for my brothers)

Yung - my given name

For simplicity, I usually add a hyphen (Kam-Yung) in my name to make it easier for people to refer to me in non-formal settings, i.e. I should be called "Kam Yung" or "Mr. Soh".

Calling me "Kam" (it has happened) is nonsensical from my point of view.

Re:Foreign Minister Taro Kono to ask media to switch order o... by donpark on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @01:10AM (#19977975)
Same for Koreans. Capitalizing the first character of the 'generational' name and lowercase for given name could work.

But I think emphasizing the given name offers better UX so given name should be all caps and family name should be all lowercase like this: YUNG Kam soh or soh Kam YUNG.

Re:Foreign Minister Taro Kono to ask media to switch order o... by Freak_NL on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @02:11AM (#19978270)
> But I think emphasizing the given name offers better UX […]

How? You are introducing a custom capitalization convention nobody uses. People expect the UPPERCASED name, if present, to be the surname (or whatever you can sensible put after Mr/Ms). Going against strong conventions is not a good user experience.

Re:Foreign Minister Taro Kono to ask media to switch order o... by Double_a_92 on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @02:17AM (#19978296)
> Calling me "Kam" (it has happened) is nonsensical from my point of view.

Would just Yung be ok?

Re:Foreign Minister Taro Kono to ask media to switch order o... by sohkamyung on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @03:39AM (#19978802)
> Would just Yung be ok?

For me, that's only for family members and very close friends. :-)

It's like a personal nickname that you feel comfortable with if only a close circle of people use.

Re:Foreign Minister Taro Kono to ask media to switch order o... by z2 on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @04:51PM (#19974867)
As others have alluded to--here's an explanation for _a good portion_ of the people who have two character given names. The first character of the given name is defined by ancestors, generations ago in a poem. Each subsequent generation uses the next character of that poem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_name

This stopped for much of the mainland in the last century due to a few revolutions that happened there.

Re:Foreign Minister Taro Kono to ask media to switch order o... by headsupftw on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @02:15PM (#19973034)
"I thought the given name in Chinese was almost always two characters. Is this not the case?"

Not at all. Nowadays there are hundreds of millions of people in Mainland China with a single-character given name. Case in point: former tennis player Li Na, former basketball player Yao Ming.

I say "Mainland China" because I notice people from Hongkong and Taiwan have mostly two-character given names.

Re:Foreign Minister Taro Kono to ask media to switch order o... by gibolt on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @05:17PM (#19975151)
One character names are quite common, but 3+ character names exist also, especially for ethnic minorities. This applies to given and surnames.

Any 'always' cases with names are never to be trusted. https://www.kalzumeus.com/2010/06/17/falsehoods-programmers-...

Re:Foreign Minister Taro Kono to ask media to switch order o... by cbhl on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @02:14PM (#19973020)
given name != surname

surname = "last" name = family name

Re:Foreign Minister Taro Kono to ask media to switch order o... by ardy42 on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @11:20PM (#19977431)
> That's interesting, I thought the given name in Chinese was almost always two characters. Is this not the case?

It depends, I think. I don't know about all of China, but in some places they alternate the length of the given name by generation (e.g. if you have a two-character given name, you give your children a one-character name, and vice versa).

Re:Foreign Minister Taro Kono to ask media to switch order o... by ksec on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @03:58PM (#19974264)
>I thought the given name in Chinese was almost always two characters. Is this not the case?

Mostly in Old, Traditional or Southern part of China.

Re:Foreign Minister Taro Kono to ask media to switch order o... by seanmcdirmid on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @04:36PM (#19974673)
When was the last time mainland China had a leader with a one character given name?

But ya, it is a matter of preference.

Re:Foreign Minister Taro Kono to ask media to switch order o... by dis-sys on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @11:42PM (#19977549)
> When was the last time mainland China had a leader with a one character given name?

The person commonly known as Sun Yat-sen in the west. His given name is 文, he used it to sign all official documents.

Re:Foreign Minister Taro Kono to ask media to switch order o... by seanmcdirmid on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @12:50AM (#19977871)
Crazy that 中山 was his Japanese name....