the device created the data, they
played a role but I don't see why
that means they control it.
If the shutter fails to open to spec, would you want them to know about it and have data to improve it via a firmware update or next version of the product?
Please read my post, and really read it :). I am not saying all data is theirs, I am saying it depends on the type of data and I don't want to see no data being shared.
I don't want the applications to continually send the data to the vendor.
In your case, Canon will ask to look at your camera or ask for some log, you will give it to them by choice, they will look at it and find/fix the problem. There is no automatic implied approval just because I bought something from someone.
It is a hard line to draw, but I believe we can do it over the next 50 years as long as we don't draw a hard line that all data is mine.
Not without my explicit consent.
Look at it from the perspective the data is not anyone's to start. The data is something you played a role in creating but you do not own. Next, how do you decide who controls and gets access to which parts of the data and what are the reasons behind that?
Data that identifies you might own and keep private.
Data that can help the manufacturer improve the product/services they might get.
Data that can help society/gov they might get.
You are arguing that I should be, though. Whether or not I "own" the data is irrelevant to this point. If I don't have a choice about it being revealed, then I am being forced to reveal it.
> Data that identifies you might own and keep private.
Given that very powerful databases and data mining technologies are commonly employed, I think that this category covers the vast majority of all data that is created as a result of my actions or the actions of machines that I own.
The users and their personal behavior and usage metrics are obviously the valuable part of the data — not the device that logs and measures the data. Also, (though I’m sure there’s “semantic” nuance in this too), the users are the ones who pay to possess and maintain the data-creating device.
I do not think just because you are involved in creating data that means it is yours. When you give data to the census that isn't your data... when you click an ad and buy something that data isn't your data... I just don't get this notion that data is yours because you are involved in its creation. There is data about you that might be private or personal and should have protections, but the notion that data you have a role in creating is yours seems extreme.
“It’s a symbiotic relationship”
Sorry, you’ll have to do a bit better than that. Many of us are old enough to have owned and driven vehicles quite well with no automated telemetry. The same can’t be said for account-based online social networks, which have always required user data to fundamentally function.
The notion that it's OK for me to be forced to send such data to others seems extreme to me.
I do object to thinking it has precedent. This is a new situation that is going to get bigger with iot.
This issue is precisely why I won't be buying any IoT device that requires the use of a third-party server, which currently means any commercial IoT devices.
I don't know why you say this, though, when you are arguing that I should be.
> because you are somehow related to the data you get ownership.
In the absence of a compelling reason otherwise, I demand such ownership.
I don't see that data as anyway owned by you, you might have rights to aspects of it, but in no way can you demand ownership over something you don't own.
Because it is data about me that I'm generating personally, on my own personal equipment. That data is literally nobody else's business unless I choose to share it.
What you are saying is that users don't have a choice in the matter.
I think this choice will be removed within my lifetime.
The user owns the device. Full stop.
So let me re-frame our conversation. Let me re-root it to something that I will not budge on:
If I buy a device then I own the data on it. If I own a device then I own the data collected by it. If I own data, then I have every right to refuse to allow that data to be accessed by anyone other than myself.
If you want access to the data to be a precondition of my use of the device, then do not pretend you sold the device to me. At best you are providing a lease.
You are welcome to disagree with me :)
It's my device, therefore I have every right to control who it's going to talk to and what it's going to say.
> If the data plays a role in improving services or life for everyone let the data serve its role.
Then let the manufacturers make that case to me as part of getting my consent to collect the data.
We still need strong regulations and gov agencies to enforce/protect, but I just don't see the point of claiming everything is your data blah blah.