Like I said, you are not being forced, it isn't your data to start with is a different POV to approach this from. You are stuck in the mindset that because you are somehow related to the data you get ownership.

How about the POV that if I buy the device, I decide what the device does? This is a fundamental property right. You may argue that the data created isn't "mine", but I would argue that it is absolutely my data if it is created by a device I own. The fact that someone else manufactured the device doesn't give them some sort of retained ownership once they sell it to me.

Yep, that is def an option for you to believe, I just am not agreeing with that POV :)

I do object to thinking it has precedent. This is a new situation that is going to get bigger with iot.

> This is a new situation that is going to get bigger with iot.

This issue is precisely why I won't be buying any IoT device that requires the use of a third-party server, which currently means any commercial IoT devices.

> Like I said, you are not being forced

I don't know why you say this, though, when you are arguing that I should be.

> because you are somehow related to the data you get ownership.

In the absence of a compelling reason otherwise, I demand such ownership.

I just don't get why you think that data is yours.

I don't see that data as anyway owned by you, you might have rights to aspects of it, but in no way can you demand ownership over something you don't own.

> I just don't get why you think that data is yours.

Because it is data about me that I'm generating personally, on my own personal equipment. That data is literally nobody else's business unless I choose to share it.