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Re:Car Owners Should Control Data Collected by Cars by michaelt on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @12:26PM (#19971698)

  the device created the data, they
  played a role but I don't see why
  that means they control it.
If I take a photo with my Canon camera, Canon doesn't own the photo even though they manufactured the device.
Re:Car Owners Should Control Data Collected by Cars by bwb on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @01:10PM (#19972136)
Agreed.

If the shutter fails to open to spec, would you want them to know about it and have data to improve it via a firmware update or next version of the product?

Please read my post, and really read it :). I am not saying all data is theirs, I am saying it depends on the type of data and I don't want to see no data being shared.

Re:Car Owners Should Control Data Collected by Cars by yumraj on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @01:24PM (#19972304)
When an application, say a browser, crashes on my computer it asks whether I want to submit the crash log, and I decide whether or not I want to.

I don't want the applications to continually send the data to the vendor.

In your case, Canon will ask to look at your camera or ask for some log, you will give it to them by choice, they will look at it and find/fix the problem. There is no automatic implied approval just because I bought something from someone.

Re:Car Owners Should Control Data Collected by Cars by bwb on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @01:49PM (#19972655)
Yep I understand your POV, I don't always agree depending on the data being provided. I think in some cases a good case can be made you don't get that decision if it helps improve health outcomes or improves driving safty or so on.

It is a hard line to draw, but I believe we can do it over the next 50 years as long as we don't draw a hard line that all data is mine.

Re:Car Owners Should Control Data Collected by Cars by JohnFen on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @02:21PM (#19973110)
> If the shutter fails to open to spec, would you want them to know about it and have data to improve it via a firmware update or next version of the product?

Not without my explicit consent.

Re:Car Owners Should Control Data Collected by Cars by bwb on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @02:26PM (#19973164)
Yep I understand your POV, I am just saying I am not sure you should have that level of control depending on the data :)
Re:Car Owners Should Control Data Collected by Cars by JohnFen on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @02:33PM (#19973287)
But why do you think I should be forced to reveal anything?
Re:Car Owners Should Control Data Collected by Cars by bwb on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @02:53PM (#19973536)
You are not being forced to reveal anything :). That is coming from your standing POV that this data is yours.

Look at it from the perspective the data is not anyone's to start. The data is something you played a role in creating but you do not own. Next, how do you decide who controls and gets access to which parts of the data and what are the reasons behind that?

Data that identifies you might own and keep private.

Data that can help the manufacturer improve the product/services they might get.

Data that can help society/gov they might get.

Re:Car Owners Should Control Data Collected by Cars by JohnFen on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @03:42PM (#19974065)
> You are not being forced to reveal anything

You are arguing that I should be, though. Whether or not I "own" the data is irrelevant to this point. If I don't have a choice about it being revealed, then I am being forced to reveal it.

> Data that identifies you might own and keep private.

Given that very powerful databases and data mining technologies are commonly employed, I think that this category covers the vast majority of all data that is created as a result of my actions or the actions of machines that I own.