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Re:Facebook and Google pressured EU experts to soften fake n... by akavel on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @07:59AM (#19969288)
Oh wow, that's really rough:

"Monique Goyens – director-general of BEUC, which is also known as The European Consumer Association – is blunter. 'We were blackmailed,' she says. [...]

Facebook’s chief lobbyist, Richard Allan – another member of the expert group – said [...] to another group member: 'He threatened that if we did not stop talking about competition tools, Facebook would stop its support for journalistic and academic projects.'"

Re:Facebook and Google pressured EU experts to soften fake n... by szbalint on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @08:18AM (#19969430)
I think the really damning bit is:

> According to Frau-Meigs, independent funding for academics as well as journalists is extremely important. “Google and Facebook are paying these partnerships from their direct marketing arm, not through more neutral foundations,” she says.

This seems to be implying that Facebook and Google are paying these partnerships partly or mainly to coopt the researchers in order to avoid public relations or regulatory issues.

Re:Facebook and Google pressured EU experts to soften fake n... by mc32 on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @08:08AM (#19969346)
All of this “do good” nonsense FB and Google do is just another tool in their arsenal to support and serve their main business. They don’t care who it helps or hurts. They only care that these proxies help them.
Re:Facebook and Google pressured EU experts to soften fake n... by chrisseaton on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @08:53AM (#19969645)
> Monique Goyens ... 'We were blackmailed'

Blackmailing is telling people that you're been doing something illegal or immoral if you don't meet demands. Is the BEUC admitting here that they were doing something illegal or immoral?

Re:Facebook and Google pressured EU experts to soften fake n... by b_tterc_p on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @09:49AM (#19970091)
Technically it’s extortion, of which blackmail is a type but not the right type. Cherry picking the wording feels pedantic here.

I’m not sure if this is legal and I think it varies by jurisdiction. For example, in the US I don’t think it’s actually legal to give donations to political offices contingent on them passing certain policies. You can, however, donate freely, imply you favor certain policies, show them more stacks of cash in your future lobbying fund, and wink.

Re:Facebook and Google pressured EU experts to soften fake n... by libria on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @11:28AM (#19971013)
No, I think the EU was inflammatory with wording: "heavy-arm wrestling in the corridors", "blackmail". At least in the US, you can't throw "blackmail" around casually as it carries a heavy criminal implication. We're talking about gifts and donations they have no rights to and that Facebook has no obligation to give.

Now the gifts themselves are a conflict of interest so they should never be allowed. Show of EU hands, who wants to outlaw all FB/GOOG gifts?

This is a case of wanting to bite the hand that feeds you and then whine when the hand yanks back the handouts too. Sure FB/GOOG plays a little dirty, but all corps/political states play this game.

Re:Facebook and Google pressured EU experts to soften fake n... by b_tterc_p on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @12:20PM (#19971641)
> We're talking about gifts and donations they have no rights to and that Facebook has no obligation to give.

I'm not a lawyer, but I'm not sure this is true (everywhere or anywhere in particular). A donation has to be a donation, free of stipulations. If you say you intend to give a donation and you say that if you don't get certain policies then you won't give the donation; then its clear that you intend to receive a service for your donation, making it a business transaction (and potentially an illegal one).

As I said before, there are easy ways to accomplish the same thing. You're just not supposed to explicitly say "if you don't give me what I want, the money stops".

Re:Facebook and Google pressured EU experts to soften fake n... by pilsetnieks on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @09:39AM (#19970001)
> blackmail, n.: the action, treated as a criminal offence, of demanding money from someone in return for not revealing compromising information which one has about them.

Compromising information could be information of various kinds, not all of that evidence of illegal or immoral deeds.

Re:Facebook and Google pressured EU experts to soften fake n... by chrisseaton on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @10:38AM (#19970527)
But there's no compromising information at all, is there?
Re:Facebook and Google pressured EU experts to soften fake n... by bitL on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @09:19AM (#19969853)
Probably not a native English speaker.
Re:Facebook and Google pressured EU experts to soften fake n... by chrisseaton on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @09:22AM (#19969877)
Doesn't seem advisable to make serious legal statements if you're not confident in the language - let an expert speak on your behalf.
Re:Facebook and Google pressured EU experts to soften fake n... by apexalpha on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @10:59AM (#19970725)
That's rich coming from someone who probably speaks one language.

99,9% of people understand what she means, even if it isn't the legally correct word. The other 0,01% are pedantics like yourself.

Furthermore there is no evidence that she used this word, the interview might've been in Dutch or French and translated by the authors.

Re:Facebook and Google pressured EU experts to soften fake n... by chrisseaton on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @11:06AM (#19970798)
> The other 0,01% are pedantics like yourself.

The noun is 'pedants'.

Re:Facebook and Google pressured EU experts to soften fake n... by SmellyGeekBoy on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @10:05AM (#19970243)
Was this said under oath or something?
Re:Facebook and Google pressured EU experts to soften fake n... by blub on Wednesday May 22, 2019 @01:06AM (#19977954)
I can think of several European languages where the native "blackmail" word would be used in a situation like this. But that's irrelevant, because this is not a forum of chatbots, is it? We can figure out what was meant, can't we?

Pointless nitpicking and wasting our time.

Re:Facebook and Google pressured EU experts to soften fake n... by jlarocco on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @11:28AM (#19971009)
I'm guessing she meant to say, "We were extorted," which makes FB and Google look even worse.
Re:Facebook and Google pressured EU experts to soften fake n... by Nasrudith on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @08:47AM (#19969612)
That is a funny Freudian slip on her part for someone involved with the government.

Blackmail implies they were doing something illegal or immoral - extortion implies they were innocent and threatened.

Re:Facebook and Google pressured EU experts to soften fake n... by Assadi on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @08:52AM (#19969637)
Alternatively: a Belgian makes a mistake, one that is common even amongst natives, in a foreign language
Re:Facebook and Google pressured EU experts to soften fake n... by DoctorOetker on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @02:53PM (#19973530)
could it be a machine translation from "chantage" to "blackmail" ? "chantage" in Dutch doesn't sound like it necessarily implies the target has committed a crime...
Re:Facebook and Google pressured EU experts to soften fake n... by narag on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @08:55AM (#19969661)
Actually the word should be 'bribe', shouldn't it?
Re:Facebook and Google pressured EU experts to soften fake n... by _pmf_ on Tuesday May 21, 2019 @09:27AM (#19969918)
> "if we did not stop talking about competition tools, Facebook would stop its support for journalistic [...] projects"

I don't see a downside.