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Re:I froze the salaries of my executive team to benefit othe... by mcv on Thursday May 16, 2019 @09:15AM (#19928701)
Maybe, or maybe not. I think the first concern is that everybody should be able to eat, have a roof over their heads, and have the freedom to focus on other things. I think it's definitely healthy for a society if the poor are able to save some money so their life doesn't immediately collapse on a rainy day. Once that's sorted, I'm all for investigating all the maybes.
Re:I froze the salaries of my executive team to benefit othe... by Chris2048 on Thursday May 16, 2019 @09:45AM (#19928966)
Depends. Maybe not all "poor" are the same. Some choose not to stay in school, what do you do then? Guarantee food and shelter anyway? Why work my way up through the humiliation of McJob when I can stay home and prove my worth in Xbox?
Re:I froze the salaries of my executive team to benefit othe... by mcv on Thursday May 16, 2019 @09:58AM (#19929088)
Are we still talking about stimulating the economy? Then yes, making sure they have money to spend will ensure they spend it, increase demand, and grow the economy.

But yes, reject humiliating jobs. I'm not sure why you'd actively want people to be miserable.

But if you want a bigger picture: create better opportunities, and make sure they are accessible to everybody. The whole reason people withdraw from society into either drugs or gaming or whatever, is that, from their perspective, society has nothing to offer them but humiliation and misery. Heaping more humiliation and misery on them is not going to fix anything.

And if rich kids drop out of school and spend their time partying, they're also guaranteed food and shelter, and quite a bit of wealth on top of that.

Re:I froze the salaries of my executive team to benefit othe... by Chris2048 on Thursday May 16, 2019 @10:32AM (#19929391)
This feels like the glass-makers fallacy

If the money if free, distributing it will stimulate the economy. But since that money comes from somewhere, any growth due to that distribution competes with the lack of growth due to wherever you took it from,

e.g If you took it via taxes, people have less money to spend because of the higher taxes.

If you took it from the rich because they don't spend it on things, they also don't invest it, meaning banks have less capital.

> reject humiliating jobs

serving fast food is humiliating to people with people who think of themselves as better

> create better opportunities, and make sure they are accessible to everybody.

like free school? and those people who choose not to attend?

You seems to think the only problem is lack of opportunity, it isn't. For example, if a community has a drug problem, a better economy isn't going to fix that.

> The whole reason people withdraw from society

people don't withdrawn from society fully, they just stop contributing to it. They need society for food, shelter etc. You are suggesting they get these things unconditionally, ensuring their withdrawal is indefinitely viable.

And drug addicts aren't simply poor, that's an entirely different issue.

> And if rich kids drop out of school..

So what? The state, and by extension the taxpayer, don't fund that, so it's none of our business how that works out. The state shouldn't micromanage all of society to ensure equal outcomes for all, and if it did it would need far more power than it has now.

A "rich" kid isn't guaranteed anything beyond what their rich parents decide, and I'm not going to tell someone how to spend their money.

Re:I froze the salaries of my executive team to benefit othe... by mcv on Thursday May 16, 2019 @11:16AM (#19929769)
In this case, we're comparing giving money to the rich to giving it to the poor. It's coming from the same place in both cases. In this case, it's quite likely that the financial problems of the poor people in the company has been hurting their productivity (the article doesn't really go into that, but it starts with that the company was stagnating). For the rich, their growth is just a number; they don't really need that extra money for anything, because they already have plenty of it.

Of course in general, it's best to use the money wherever it will give you the best growth. I think that in general, that will be where the most growth is needed; where the most shortages are.

> serving fast food is humiliating to people with people who think of themselves as better

Well, you were the one calling it humiliating. I've got nothing against serving fast food, but in general, I think jobs shouldn't be humiliating, and I feel strongly that people should have the freedom to reject humiliating jobs. A job is a major part of your life. It shouldn't be sucking your soul out, it should stimulate and/or empower you.

> You seems to think the only problem is lack of opportunity, it isn't.

It's not the only problem, but a lack of opportunity is absolutely a problem. And a very real one, for a lot of people.

> For example, if a community has a drug problem, a better economy isn't going to fix that.

No, but that drug problem comes from somewhere, and humiliating or punishing people isn't going to fix it. If anything, that seems likely to make it worse.