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Re:Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019 by iscrewyou on Friday May 10, 2019 @11:59AM (#19879017)
I don't have a smart home device and I won't buy it in a few years. And the simple reason is that there is no regulation for bad behavior. These companies keep getting away with massive privacy violations. We can dig into the big companies but at this time, that point has been beaten to death.

When there is better regulation and the software engineers are being jailed for violations of privacy, I will trust the system and buy it. Until then, I simply don't trust it. And won't buy it.

I don't hate the lights. It's great innovation. I am amused at the fact that you can turn off your ac from work in case you forgot. But privacy. Privacy is becoming a bigger and bigger issue. And I'd like it to be addressed before I let the companies run my data on aws.

Re:Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019 by rubicon33 on Friday May 10, 2019 @12:55PM (#19879680)
> When there is better regulation and the software engineers are being jailed for violations of privacy,

Just like all those bankers who were jailed after the 2008 financial crisis that wrecked the lives of millions? Gimme a break.

Re:Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019 by iscrewyou on Friday May 10, 2019 @01:06PM (#19879819)
And you’ve proven my point about not trusting the companies running these devices and devices.
Re:Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019 by nagVenkat on Friday May 10, 2019 @02:53PM (#19881008)
Could you please let me know which laws they have broken?
Re:Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019 by mixmastamyk on Friday May 10, 2019 @12:37PM (#19879468)
s/software engineers/management team/
Re:Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019 by greenyoda on Friday May 10, 2019 @01:42PM (#19880256)
As a software engineer, I don't software engineers should be immune from prosecution if they knowingly violate laws. Your manager telling you to do something (even under threat of firing) is not an excuse if you know that it's illegal. For example, the guy who wrote the software for Bernie Madoff's company knew that he was helping Madoff perpetrate fraud, and ended up in prison.[1]

[1] http://static7.businessinsider.com/r-ex-madoff-computer-prog...

Re:Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019 by mixmastamyk on Friday May 10, 2019 @02:04PM (#19880509)
Not saying they should be immune, but rather pointing the focus at decision makers. Some of them could be engineers too.
Re:Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019 by iscrewyou on Friday May 10, 2019 @01:07PM (#19879829)
Anybody. Who ever makes those negligent decisions that compromise systems.
Re:Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019 by KoSS4U on Friday May 10, 2019 @01:28PM (#19880096)
I guess you also don't have a credit report after what happened to Equifax in 2017... In the meantime, for me my Vera works just great. Eternal Vigilance is the Price of Liberty.
Re:Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019 by JadeNB on Friday May 10, 2019 @05:03PM (#19882206)
> I guess you also don't have a credit report after what happened to Equifax in 2017...

Not having IoT devices is an option. Not having a credit report isn't. (I don't just mean it in the sense that it's not practical; I mean it in the sense that, as far as I know, you can't stop this data from being compiled.)

Re:Nest, the company, died at Google I/O 2019 by asdff on Saturday May 11, 2019 @12:03AM (#19884474)
Not having a credit report is an option. Just don't live in the U.S.