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Re:Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from ... by hugi on Friday May 10, 2019 @10:21AM (#19877949)
In Iceland, if the owner of a rented apartment would request key access to his tenants apartment, well… That would be considered "batshit crazy". But it probably comes down to cultural differences, America is very authoritarian.
Re:Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from ... by sailfast on Friday May 10, 2019 @10:54AM (#19878333)
I think you might be conflating our current executive for the rest of America, which is 50 independent states operating together with a Federal government. Each state has its own way of doing things, and they're all different.

Recent Federal pushes into authoritarian areas, while an indicator that things are moving in that direction, do not make the country as a whole "Authoritarian", let alone VERY authoritarian.

We do tend to lean towards protection for owners of property, rather than renters of property (citation needed? In many states there are STRONG protections for non-owners even those squatting on land that is not theirs) That also severely limits the rights of the government to access the property without cause. That seems... decidedly _not_ authoritarian? But certainly skewed towards ownership.

Re:Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from ... by criley2 on Friday May 10, 2019 @12:32PM (#19879387)
America is not authoritarian so much as "pro-ownership"

The idea that the owner of a building couldn't perform maintenance as necessary is shocking!

Re:Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from ... by looperhacks on Friday May 10, 2019 @04:01PM (#19881691)
The thought that someone could enter the place that holds everything I own is more shocking to me. If my landlord wants to enter my flat, he can ask me and I'll let them in - I can't make sure that my landlord doesn't enter my flat.
Re:Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from ... by thatoneuser on Friday May 10, 2019 @05:06PM (#19882231)
No but tbf you can point a camera at your door and Sue his ass off if he comes in without justification or permission.
Re:Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from ... by kojeovo on Saturday May 11, 2019 @10:28AM (#19886341)
Also an extremely American concept
Re:Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from ... by asveikau on Friday May 10, 2019 @06:31PM (#19882882)
I disagree with you. It is absolutely authoritarianism at the root of these issues. (As an American who has been observing this for some time.)

A few hours ago I was summarizing this article to someone in person and concluded with "but this country is very authoritarian", the implication being that the letter and spirit of tennant laws are not widely known, and the more authoritarian cultural norms, biased towards landlords, end up as the de facto rules.

Re:Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from ... by romwell on Saturday May 11, 2019 @03:15AM (#19885025)
"Pro-landlord" is not "pro-ownership", it's the opposite.
Re:Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from ... by criley2 on Saturday May 11, 2019 @08:43AM (#19885868)
Oh sweetie, oh no...

The landlord IS the owner.

They are inseparable. You cannot be pro-landlord and anti-owner, or pro-owner and anti-landlord.

"I'm pro-developers but against programmers!"

"I'm anti-programming, but pro-coding!"

Come on now.

Re:Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from ... by romwell on Monday May 13, 2019 @05:14AM (#19897373)
Oh, come on. Most houseowners aren't landlords (people who own multiple properties and make money by renting it to others).

It is in the interests of landlords that as few people owned property as possible. This being pro-landlord is being anti-ownership, numbers-wise.

I'm pro-owernship of property, I'm anti-getting-rich-off-mere-ownership (that is, quite literally, rent seeking).

Someone who only wants the police to have easy access to guns is anti-gun ownership.

Someone who only wants landlords to own property is anti-property-ownership.

And being pro-landlord is exactly that.

TL;DR: all landlords are owners, most owners aren't landlords. And the rent is too damn high.

Re:Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from ... by zifnab06 on Friday May 10, 2019 @11:58AM (#19879002)
Where I live (Seattle), a landlord can enter your apartment immediately if there's an emergency (ie something like it's an apartment and the downstairs neighbor reports water leaking from the ceiling), or with two days (48 hours) notice. My current apartment does the second one twice a year for fire alarm testing and, well, that's been it.
Re:Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from ... by balls187 on Friday May 10, 2019 @12:09PM (#19879130)
One day's written notice if it's to show the unit to a potential tenant.
Re:Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from ... by thieving_magpie on Friday May 10, 2019 @10:27AM (#19878010)
Feudal and Authoritarian eh? Certainly not being dramatic over differing interpretations of property rights.
Re:Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from ... by lovich on Friday May 10, 2019 @10:48AM (#19878276)
A:the poster didn't mention feudalism

B: >differing interpretations of property rights The American interpretation is authoritarian. Just because it has a negative connotation doesn't make it untrue. The landlords are renting out a dwelling for someone, and because they are the authority of that land they get to enforce rules on who has access to it. That is authoritarian

Re:Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from ... by thieving_magpie on Monday May 20, 2019 @12:15PM (#19961939)
A: Yes they did. They edited the post to remove it after my post.
Re:Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from ... by sailfast on Friday May 10, 2019 @10:58AM (#19878382)
> But it probably comes down to cultural differences, America is very authoritarian.

That has nothing to do with the property owner but "America" based on my read, but I do appreciate this interpretation of the OP. If that's their meaning, I could see why the word comes up.

Re:Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from ... by lovich on Friday May 10, 2019 @11:28AM (#19878667)
You know, I think my interpretation was wrong after re-reading, but I dont think I would disagree still. America has a very strong cultural thread of authoritarianism. You see it in places like a cops word being given greater weight in court than a citizens, or how people treat rights as something the government has to give you rather than the government taking rights from you
Re:Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from ... by tom_ on Friday May 10, 2019 @03:38PM (#19881495)
Policepeople are citizens.
Re:Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from ... by lovich on Saturday May 11, 2019 @09:43PM (#19889566)
The law as practiced by the state seems to indicate that they are not the same
Re:Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from ... by oh_sigh on Friday May 10, 2019 @02:42PM (#19880874)
What happens if there is a gas or water leak and the landlord needs to let repairmen into your apartment in an emergency?

Do they just wait around until you show up with the key? Smash some windows or kick down the door?

Re:Tenants win right to physical keys over smart locks from ... by pkaye on Friday May 10, 2019 @03:29PM (#19881385)
Iceland is small enough in population that the communities are small and everyone knows each other or has a mutual friend.