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Re:Ask HN: What was your experience starting a tech consulta... by amolo on Friday May 10, 2019 @09:53AM (#19877681)
Hahaha.. Triple? Really?
Re:Ask HN: What was your experience starting a tech consulta... by davimack on Friday May 10, 2019 @10:11AM (#19877850)
Double your rate for each new client until you can't go higher and get work. Then back off in reasonable increments until you have just enough work to be happy.

I work in biotech. Companies don't blink at anything. $3,000 / day? Yup. No problem.

Money doesn't mean anything to a company where the entry price is 15 years of infrastructure build and raw materials that run in the millions if not billions. If it does, you have a braindead manager, so move on.

Re:Ask HN: What was your experience starting a tech consulta... by gk1 on Friday May 10, 2019 @10:16AM (#19877891)
A helpful thing to remember is that large companies spend thousands of dollars a day just on printer paper.
Re:Ask HN: What was your experience starting a tech consulta... by bufferoverflow on Friday May 10, 2019 @10:54AM (#19878330)
How do you find such clients? I don't mean your particular channels, just the general idea.
Re:Ask HN: What was your experience starting a tech consulta... by jammygit on Saturday May 11, 2019 @12:10PM (#19886833)
I am a recent grad, talented I like to imagine, with an opportunity to do some consulting. If I know I can make X/hr elsewhere fulltime, is the 2.5-3x consulting/contracting rate still applicable, or does that apply to senior developers?
Re:Ask HN: What was your experience starting a tech consulta... by alexhutcheson on Sunday May 12, 2019 @02:20PM (#19893524)
Regardless of level, you have to charge 2.5-3x to make up for the additional taxes you're paying, the benefits (health insurance, etc) you now have to pay full price for, and the inevitable gaps between contracts where you won't be making any money. Whether that bill rate is attainable varies depending on your skills, market, etc., but if you can't get that rate, then you're probably financially better off at the hypothetical fulltime job.
Re:Ask HN: What was your experience starting a tech consulta... by weka on Friday May 10, 2019 @02:49PM (#19880966)
Isn't there a story about how a certain wine nobody bought but once they jacked up the price, its perceived value was higher and people thought it tasted better and it sold more?
Re:Ask HN: What was your experience starting a tech consulta... by jeromegv on Friday May 10, 2019 @05:11PM (#19882260)
It's the whole fashion industry. Pricing isn't correlated to raw cost, there's a whole science behind that.
Re:Ask HN: What was your experience starting a tech consulta... by Djvacto on Friday May 10, 2019 @03:05PM (#19881147)
I think this was Grey Goose Vodka?
Re:Ask HN: What was your experience starting a tech consulta... by gk1 on Friday May 10, 2019 @10:06AM (#19877803)
This is the kind of mentality you must shake off if you want to succeed in consulting. $200 is not even a rounding error to most companies, and you expect to get paid less than that for solving their biggest problems?
Re:Ask HN: What was your experience starting a tech consulta... by exdsq on Friday May 10, 2019 @10:00AM (#19877740)
Yeah this is what I've read/heard too. I went 2.5x but I probably could have gone higher when I personally did this. If you sell yourself based on the problem you're solving and not hours worked you can charge a lot more than you'd assume.
Re:Ask HN: What was your experience starting a tech consulta... by chasd00 on Friday May 10, 2019 @10:15AM (#19877890)
keep in mind, healthcare, taxes, and retirement costs are going to skyrocket. Uncle Sam hates it when you're not under the thumb of an employer. Only about a third of your hourly rate may actually make it to your checking account.
Re:Ask HN: What was your experience starting a tech consulta... by phonebanshee on Friday May 10, 2019 @12:00PM (#19879027)
Health insurance is a problem. Solve it before you move to contracting.

Taxes, on the other hand, are completely skewed in favor of consulting. Look at 401k contributions, for example. The limit for your contribution is the same, but your company can contribute a lot more on top of that. And talk to your accountant about how you decide on your salary; that's an important number and it's not straightforward to decide what it is. (It's certainly not your entire income)

Re:Ask HN: What was your experience starting a tech consulta... by charlieflowers on Friday May 10, 2019 @03:36PM (#19881473)
In other words, only part of your income is considered "salary" and thus subject to payroll tax. This often results in a significant tax reduction.
Re:Ask HN: What was your experience starting a tech consulta... by dublin on Friday May 10, 2019 @06:01PM (#19882673)
Or you can just do without healthcare. While there is some danger in that, it's considerably less dangerous than driving without seatbelts, which everyone used to do. I don't recommend no healthcare coverage, especially if you have a family in the childbearing years, but it's unlikely to be the end of the world, either, unless something really bad happens...
Re:Ask HN: What was your experience starting a tech consulta... by rorykoehler on Friday May 10, 2019 @09:40PM (#19883942)
This has to be the worst advice I've ever read in this site
Re:Ask HN: What was your experience starting a tech consulta... by achenatx on Friday May 10, 2019 @01:37PM (#19880196)
You can claim a lot of business expenses as deductions that you wouldnt be able to as an employee

The IRS now has a 20% deduction for passthrough entities up to 450K or so

You can put approximately 40K or 25% of income (whichever is less) into a solo 401K. Much more than a typical company 401K

There are ways to pay no FICA, by distributing through a limited partnership. You can save 15K up to the cap on those taxes, but then you will hurt your social security which requires 40 quarters of W2 wages to max out.

Healthcare will potentially cost more, but once you have around 6 employees you can join a PEO and get grouped in with other small business and get a typical cost for a business.

There are products (such as insurance ) that can shield a much larger portion of your income. For example, you buy income insurance that pays out any year you take a loss. You "pay" for it with your profit for that year. That counts as a business expense so you pay no tax on it. They keep track of your account balance+growth and you can borrow from your own account with no tax consequences. You can essentially withdraw the money at favorable tax rates if you ever take a loss.

Re:Ask HN: What was your experience starting a tech consulta... by cm2012 on Friday May 10, 2019 @12:28PM (#19879344)
I make 300k as a consultant in NYC - I paid about 97k in taxes and healthcare last year. It's not nearly that bad.
Re:Ask HN: What was your experience starting a tech consulta... by eropple on Friday May 10, 2019 @10:19AM (#19877926)
FWIW, my experience is closer to 55%, in a fairly high-tax state to boot.

It can be difficult, but it's not that bad.

Re:Ask HN: What was your experience starting a tech consulta... by sneak on Friday May 10, 2019 @07:08PM (#19883130)
Depends on what else you need to service your clients. Some types of consulting require flights, hotels, dinners, equipment, et c.
Re:Ask HN: What was your experience starting a tech consulta... by eropple on Friday May 10, 2019 @08:06PM (#19883469)
I never had travel or meals I didn't bill to a client, no. Negotiate better. ;)
Re:Ask HN: What was your experience starting a tech consulta... by sneak on Saturday May 11, 2019 @12:35PM (#19886991)
I work with small companies.

Some clients prefer a simple bill and clear mental model of the costs. I make (slightly) more money on the bills in which I don’t break out my expenses than the ones that I do.

Re:Ask HN: What was your experience starting a tech consulta... by HillRat on Friday May 10, 2019 @07:10PM (#19883143)
It’s actually a reasonable estimate of salary + benefits + operating costs, adjusted to cover non-billable hours, with a small profit on top. I’d want a more formal cost accounting model, but as a rule of thumb it’s pretty solid. People cost a lot more than their salary.