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Re:Kinect finally fulfills its Minority Report destiny by shawndumas on Thursday December 09, 2010 @09:51AM (#1987607)
gorilla arm: n.

The side-effect that destroyed touch-screens as a mainstream input technology despite a promising start in the early 1980s. It seems the designers of all those spiffy touch-menu systems failed to notice that humans aren't designed to hold their arms in front of their faces making small motions. After more than a very few selections, the arm begins to feel sore, cramped, and oversized — the operator looks like a gorilla while using the touch screen and feels like one afterwards. This is now considered a classic cautionary tale to human-factors designers; “Remember the gorilla arm!” is shorthand for “How is this going to fly in real use?”.[1]

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[1]: http://ftp.sunet.se/jargon/html/G/gorilla-arm.html

Re:Kinect finally fulfills its Minority Report destiny by Cushman on Thursday December 09, 2010 @09:58AM (#1987638)
humans aren't designed to hold their arms in front of their faces making small motions

Well, humans aren't designed, but we did evolve holding our arms in front of our faces making small motions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_gestures

I know it's hard to remember around here, but it's not just a UI buzzword.

(Which is why I see promise in this tech; using touchscreens is unnatural, but using gestures in front of your body to communicate with something a couple of feet away is quite human.)

Re:Kinect finally fulfills its Minority Report destiny by Groxx on Thursday December 09, 2010 @04:02PM (#1989122)
With our upper-arms nearly straight down most of the time, yes. Our biceps are quite durable, and have to lift less than 1/2 our arm weight; our shoulder muscles have to lift the whole frickin' thing, and from a worse leverage standpoint if your arms are "out".

Maybe that's the solution to gestural interfaces - quit with the in-front-of-my-face stuff, and go towards more sustainable movements, like we already have with keyboards and mice; everything at elbow height.

Re:Kinect finally fulfills its Minority Report destiny by shawndumas on Thursday December 09, 2010 @10:06AM (#1987672)
the phrase, "for 8hrs a day" is implied...
Re:Kinect finally fulfills its Minority Report destiny by Cushman on Thursday December 09, 2010 @10:15AM (#1987704)
Of course, that's a valid point. But again, lots of (perhaps most?) people engage in conversation for several hours per day, and a lot of that time is spent gesturing, mostly unconsciously.

I'm not envisioning it as a primary input device, naturally (although the deaf seem to get by fine). But I don't think I've ever been in a situation where a heated conversation made my arms tired; as a replacement for a few basic mouse tasks, I bet it could even improve ergonomics.

Just try it: raising your arms as if gesturing conversationally is way, way less stressful than reaching out to touch your monitor.

Re:Kinect finally fulfills its Minority Report destiny by hugh3 on Thursday December 09, 2010 @10:26AM (#1987751)
Right now I'm sitting back in my chair, with my elbows on my chair's armrests. With comfortable armests I reckon I could gesture all day. If I had a hundred odd inches of monitor surrounding me like in Minority Report it might be a reasonable way to control things -- easier than moving a mouse pointer all the way from one side of a vast piece of screen real estate to the other.
Re:Kinect finally fulfills its Minority Report destiny by yummyfajitas on Thursday December 09, 2010 @11:27AM (#1987982)
I'd love such an interface precisely for the ergonomics. The mouse is very bad for my wrists. I imagine waving my hand through the air wouldn't be.

Also, the gorilla arm would go away fairly quickly. This used to make me tired:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPKbCsWLe4k

Now it doesn't. I expect people would get used to minority report interfaces, particularly if they didn't immediately try to transition from 8 hours of keyboard to 8 hours of minority report.

My real question: is source code for this demo available?

Re:Kinect finally fulfills its Minority Report destiny by electromagnetic on Thursday December 09, 2010 @07:20PM (#1989928)
I don't think it's absurd to use this for hours a day, given that for many deaf people signing is their only way to communicate face to face, and people will find ways to talk all day.

I work in construction, I spend my days holding 5lb drills in front of me. Using the standard gesture position (forearm down) your arm won't get tired during a day. I basically live my day in the 'gesture position' often for well over 8 hours a day, always with weights in them.

When the upper arm is lifted is when your arms get not so much tired but literally drained, which is what I think the Kinect will likely have to adapt to.

Re:Kinect finally fulfills its Minority Report destiny by contextfree on Thursday December 09, 2010 @04:26PM (#1989222)
So you're taking it as assumed that there is one, singular interface that people will be using for the whole day. Even now, while designing and thinking things through I usually alternate between typing in a text editor, drawing on a whiteboard, taking notes on paper, discussing verbally with other people in the office, and just pacing up and down thinking to myself. The whiteboard for example is essentially a specimen of the much-maligned vertical touchscreen interface, and I don't see why it couldn't be made into a computationally-driven dynamic display.
Re:Kinect finally fulfills its Minority Report destiny by mikeryan on Thursday December 09, 2010 @07:08PM (#1989892)
So Dale Herigstad is the guy that did a lot of the design work on Minority report actually still does a lot of work in this space.

I saw him at a small conference recently talking about the future of these types of interfaces and I think where he's going is trying to make much smaller movements meaningful. One example was having EPG on your TV that you could navigate by just flicking your hand. He's looking at ways that smaller, more natural movements can be used to for controlling a lot of the interfaces around you.

(behind pay wall unfortunately ) http://www.wired.co.uk/magazine/archive/2010/03/start/dale-h...

Re:Kinect finally fulfills its Minority Report destiny by niels_olson on Thursday December 09, 2010 @12:51PM (#1988315)
I use a standing desk. I just realized that I can prop my elbows up and do all the finger-waving I want.