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Re:The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [... by scardine on Thursday May 09, 2019 @11:00AM (#19868887)
While all my servers are Linux, on the Desktop it is my last choice. Interesting enough I used to love customizing the window manager to death but I'm older now and I just want something that is consistent and works out of the box.

Macs work really well out of the box but with some tweaks WSL makes Windows a quite decent development workstation.

Currently I'm using Windows + WSL and I'm quite satisfied. Looks like with the new version some of the tweaks to use docker are not necessary anymore. Great work, Microsoft, keep the pace.

Re:The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [... by CoolGuySteve on Thursday May 09, 2019 @11:11AM (#19868978)
I have the same motivation as you, I just want shit that works.

But Windows is the absolute last place I find that. All I get are updates that break my setup, constant inane interruptions from Cortana or the desktop or wherever, advertisement tiles in the fucking start menu, forced updates that can't be done in the background, Windows Activation disappearing after hardware upgrades, etc.

I feel like I'm in the Stepford Wives with all these people coming out of the woodwork to proclaim how majestic the Windows experience is.

A few years back I switched from Mac to Ubuntu for the faster, cheaper, diverse hardware and I have to say, it's pretty much perfect in the "Just Works" department on the 3 laptops + 2 desktops I've installed it on. But I'm also one of those people that actually liked Unity so I don't have to mess with it much after installing.

Re:The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [... by la_barba on Thursday May 09, 2019 @12:11PM (#19869531)
Just to add my own anecdote here, I have been getting months of uptime on Windows, since Windows 7. I have a W7 Laptop and a W10 dev workstation that are currently at over 4 months of uptime. https://imgur.com/a/U8fGpCi

Edit: Oops looks like someone rebooted my W7 laptop.. :'(

Re:The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [... by scardine on Thursday May 09, 2019 @11:37AM (#19869209)
Interesting, may be I have some setting that prevents Cortana from annoying me and prevents windows from placing ads on the start menu. Not that I use the start menu often, generally I just hit the search box and start typing the name of the app I want (if it is not pinned to the task bar already).

I'm using Windows 10 Pro (Insider Preview fast track) and not seeing the annoyances you are experiencing.

Re:The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [... by phishfi on Thursday May 09, 2019 @01:10PM (#19870080)
In my experience, the ads are only present at initial setup. Once you remove the shortcuts (and disable suggested apps), they don't show up again.
Re:The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [... by ccffph on Thursday May 09, 2019 @12:54PM (#19869914)
as usual, the pirated enterprise editions with telemetry disabled work really well.
Re:The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [... by apotatopot on Thursday May 09, 2019 @11:28AM (#19869131)
I don't tweak anything after installing Debian/RHEL at work or at home. They're stable and flexible. IMO, the folks who spend hours customizing their desktops are usually the ones who don't know linux well and want to feel like they do.
Re:The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [... by tapoxi on Thursday May 09, 2019 @11:32AM (#19869163)
A more positive perspective, they want to learn what they can do. I remember trying every distribution, DE, and window manager when I started with Linux. These days I stick with stock GNOME on Fedora.
Re:The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [... by danbolt on Thursday May 09, 2019 @04:46PM (#19872266)
When I was a teenager, my father brought an Ubuntu 6.06 CD home from his workplace. It didn’t interest him much, but he let me play with it on an old family computer. Once the setup finished I spent as much time as I could playing with the colour scheme, figuring out how to install Compiz for the cube animation, and making Kingdom Hearts wallpapers. Those activities were mostly playful, but they ended up helping me get exposure to tools like cd, ls, and apt-get.

Today I feel a lot more confident in using Linux (or any Unix, really), but that’s likely 100% due to having time to spend playing and being curious.

There’s a lot of discussion about an education in computing helping people get ahead economically, but part of me wonders how much proficiency comes from being a child on a Commodore 64 than learning express+mongodb in a few weeks (not that being the latter is a bad thing, either!).

Re:The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [... by aptanstjarna on Tuesday May 14, 2019 @07:50PM (#19915006)
Now, that's cynical, isn't it.

I do have several setups, each for a separated task. It depends on what you do. E.g. doing creative stuff, it can be annoying when you get constantly derailed by one darn ugly UI like Gnome3. Now, you don't need to dabble with eyecandy every full moon, but there is nothing wrong with setting it up once for a specific workflow, is there?

Re:The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [... by sergiosgc on Thursday May 09, 2019 @12:56PM (#19869933)
Same here. Even when I switched laptop it was a painless: copy homedir, apt-get the same packages I had in the old one, let it cook for a while, and I was up and running with not a hiccup.

The only secret is to use hardware you know beforehand is well supported.

Re:The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [... by 29athrowaway on Thursday May 09, 2019 @11:24AM (#19869094)
> Customizing your window manager to death

That is not required to use a Linux desktop.

Re:The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [... by scardine on Thursday May 09, 2019 @11:55AM (#19869356)
My pet peeve is the default clipboard behavior, personally I hate when I select text and it overrides the previous content in the clipboard.
Re:The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [... by jhasse on Thursday May 09, 2019 @01:07PM (#19870049)
That's not the default in all Linux desktops I've seen.
Re:The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [... by bitwize on Thursday May 09, 2019 @01:20PM (#19870168)
There are two clipboards in X11. One is the middle-click-paste, selection clipboard that gets clobbered when you highlight something. But C-x, C-c, and C-v (in CUA applications) operate on a different clipboard altogether that doesn't exhibit this behavior.
Re:The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [... by vbezhenar on Thursday May 09, 2019 @02:06PM (#19870613)
And that is awesome feature that I miss a lot in other operating systems.
Re:The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [... by bitwize on Thursday May 09, 2019 @03:52PM (#19871680)
It's a wart of X11, which is obsolete and deprecated. Wayland has a single clipboard which behaves in mostly the standard way.
Re:The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [... by mixmastamyk on Thursday May 09, 2019 @12:04PM (#19869453)
clipboard and selection buffer are separate, though I think there is a situation that co-mingles them.
Re:The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [... by erikbye on Thursday May 09, 2019 @02:15PM (#19870693)
> Macs work really well out of the box but with some tweaks

Really? I don't know your definition of tweaks, but I've always found macOS requires a bunch of third party apps (often only paid alternatives) to be useful for a power user. Last I checked even its window management support was awful, and in a lot of situations it's impossible to get to where you want without touching the mouse.

KDE works much better out the gate, and is actually an advanced desktop environment in terms of possible customization if that is your bag.

Re:The New Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL2) Architecture [... by bwat49 on Thursday May 09, 2019 @11:39AM (#19869230)
> I used to love customizing the window manager to death but I'm older now and I just want something that is consistent and works out of the box.

it's called GNOME