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Re:Tech Companies Are Deleting Evidence of War Crimes by ionised on Thursday May 09, 2019 @07:47AM (#19867295)
> The nation isn't perfect, but does anyone really believe that, on net, America hasn't been a force for good in the world? What is your benchmark?

Lots of people all over the world who have been on the receiving end of US military or economic aggression enacted in the interests of the US plutocrats.

African Americans, Native Americans, most of South America, pretty much all of the Middle East and North Africa, anyone who has suffered structural violence as a result of the US's insistence on a morally bankrupt Friedman hack-job neoliberal economic ideology.

The US has done a lot of good things, but on balance I think it's done more damage and has merely replaced the British Empire as the current Anglo-sphere imperialist power.

Re:Tech Companies Are Deleting Evidence of War Crimes by primroot on Thursday May 09, 2019 @09:23AM (#19868019)
Abusing its power to exceptionally shield itself from international justice, while at the same time practicing extraterritorial judicial reach, is also not a good sign of being a net force for good.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-usa-icc/u-s-imposes-visa-... https://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2009/0213/p05s01-woeu...

Re:Tech Companies Are Deleting Evidence of War Crimes by ionised on Thursday May 09, 2019 @09:41AM (#19868171)
Plus, as a nation it meets its own definition of a rogue state.
Re:Tech Companies Are Deleting Evidence of War Crimes by refurb on Thursday May 09, 2019 @09:09AM (#19867908)
On balance has done more damage?

Do you believe that in the countries where the US has intervened that without US involvement things would be that much better? Seems to me that when the US supported a dictatorship, the alternative wasn’t a thriving democracy but just another dictatorship aligned to a different power.

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Re:Tech Companies Are Deleting Evidence of War Crimes by dang on Sunday May 12, 2019 @05:52PM (#19894806)
Please don't do political or nationalistic flamewar on HN. The conversation fell way below the acceptability line by this point.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

p.s. We've had to warn you repeatedly about using HN for political or ideological battle. At some point we ban accounts that keep doing that—regardless of what they're arguing for or against—because it's highly destructive of the intellectual curiosity this site exists for. Would you please fix that?

Re:Tech Companies Are Deleting Evidence of War Crimes by refurb on Thursday May 09, 2019 @11:53AM (#19869346)
You've proven my point exactly. Your standard for America is perfection - a country that has never done anything wrong or made mistakes. Under your standard, every country is evil. It's a silly way to look at things.

And, I see you've swallowed the Mossadegh narrative hook line and sinker. Iran was in chaos prior to the coup. Mossadegh was not uniformly popular, there were riots on the street. He was on his way out regardless, as he had failed to deliver on many of his promises.

As for Iraq, sure, that didn't turn out well.

By why did you ignore my comment about Taiwan, Japan, Western Europe, etc? You trot out examples of failures, but completely ignore the success stories.

Re:Tech Companies Are Deleting Evidence of War Crimes by dang on Sunday May 12, 2019 @05:52PM (#19894804)
Please don't do political or nationalistic flamewar on HN. The conversation fell way below the acceptability line by this point.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Tech Companies Are Deleting Evidence of War Crimes by pnongrata on Thursday May 09, 2019 @12:58PM (#19869959)
Don't forget "economic warfare", where the US crushes its "enemiy countries" through painful sanctions, which always leaves the poorest portions of those countries in shambles. Not to mention the refugee crisis it creates, which in turn has the "pleasant" effect of lowering wages across the globe.
Re:Tech Companies Are Deleting Evidence of War Crimes by logicprog on Thursday May 09, 2019 @02:49PM (#19871010)
Wait, so the US is evil for not giving the benefits of it's economy to states it doesn't like/that dislike it? That seems really backwards-- how does anyone else have a right to the US's economy?

Even more, (if I understand your point correctly) the US is also evil for having a good economy and society that refugees want to flee to?

So the US is both evil for having a great economy available to people and also for not making that economy available to people? Is there any way to win besides just not having a good economy (and society)?

Is this just hating on the strong and successful because they are strong and successful?

Re:Tech Companies Are Deleting Evidence of War Crimes by patrick5415 on Thursday May 09, 2019 @10:56AM (#19868856)
Lots of accusations here with zero citations.
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Re:Tech Companies Are Deleting Evidence of War Crimes by _lessthan0 on Thursday May 09, 2019 @11:55AM (#19869362)
It's fine, there is a certain collective on HN that do not believe or want to even google United States and the past dealings with the middle East and South America.

America is not the world - Morrissey