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Re:MasterCard under DDOS, can't process SecureCode online pa... by rorrr on Wednesday December 08, 2010 @11:57AM (#1983604)
Visa + Mastercard is a duopoly. They have been abusing their domination for years. I don't feel sorry for MC.
Re:MasterCard under DDOS, can't process SecureCode online pa... by marknutter on Wednesday December 08, 2010 @12:52PM (#1983840)
You do realize that there are actual human beings working for Mastercard who are just like you and I who are getting hurt by this, right? There are real people behind these websites.
Re:MasterCard under DDOS, can't process SecureCode online pa... by steveklabnik on Wednesday December 08, 2010 @01:07PM (#1983907)
Following orders is not a valid defense for wrongdoing. If you work for a company, you're complicit in their wrongdoings.
Re:MasterCard under DDOS, can't process SecureCode online pa... by nkassis on Wednesday December 08, 2010 @01:41PM (#1984035)
That's not true at all. A secretary filling documents should not be held responsible for the way the corporation is run. That's just plain idiocy to claim that employees of a company are to be held responsible for corporate policy. Now if they did something illegal while working, that' another story but I don't think that's what you meant here.
Re:MasterCard under DDOS, can't process SecureCode online pa... by steveklabnik on Wednesday December 08, 2010 @02:02PM (#1984132)
Nope, that's exactly what I mean here. Now, we're talking about my own personal set of ethics here, but it's pretty straightforward:

* Your role is an employee is to help accomplish a corporation's objectives.

* (In this case) the corporation's objectives are unethical.

* You're contributing to something unethical.

That being said, nobody is perfectly ethical. But if I worked for Amazon or PayPal, I'd have quit by now, and I'd never have taken a job with MasterCard in the first place.

I also don't mean "held responsible" in a legal sense, either. They've done nothing wrong legally. Legality != morality, though.

Re:MasterCard under DDOS, can't process SecureCode online pa... by holdenk on Wednesday December 08, 2010 @04:49PM (#1984766)
While I understand your premises, I question the idea that an employee is ethically responsible for all of the actions/objectives of there employer.
Re:MasterCard under DDOS, can't process SecureCode online pa... by alanh on Wednesday December 08, 2010 @05:48PM (#1985021)
All of them? Of course not.

But they are responsible for those they know about.

Re:MasterCard under DDOS, can't process SecureCode online pa... by steveklabnik on Wednesday December 08, 2010 @05:46PM (#1985015)
"responsible" is a bit strong, but that doesn't mean contribution on some level hasn't occurred.
Re:MasterCard under DDOS, can't process SecureCode online pa... by euccastro on Wednesday December 08, 2010 @06:27PM (#1985171)
On what grounds?
Re:MasterCard under DDOS, can't process SecureCode online pa... by masmullin on Wednesday December 08, 2010 @04:58PM (#1984800)
my guess is that you a) don't have a mortgage b) are exceptionally skilled that finding another job is not difficult for you

Most people don't have the option of just up and quitting their jobs.

Re:MasterCard under DDOS, can't process SecureCode online pa... by steveklabnik on Wednesday December 08, 2010 @05:53PM (#1985040)
I don't have a mortgage, but I also never will.

Even if finding a new job is easy, it's still difficult. I just went through this process, it's still rough...

As I said, everyone makes choices. Everyone commits minor works of evil. If doing wrong is worth your mortgage... it's your life.

Re:MasterCard under DDOS, can't process SecureCode online pa... by Daishiman on Wednesday December 08, 2010 @07:37PM (#1985413)
Just because other people don't "have the choice" doesn't mean that those of us who do shouldn't take the opportunity to do what's right.