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Re:MasterCard under DDOS, can't process SecureCode online pa... by corin_ on Wednesday December 08, 2010 @10:51AM (#1983295)
It's not a dissimilar concept to strike action, in that it may well have a negative effect on customers, but is believed to be neccesary none-the-less.

I fully support unions and strikers, however I'm not sure how I feel about this kind of action. The similarity ends with differences such as strikers have names, faces, spokespeople, they decide together if they are for or against striking, it isn't one or more people with nothing to do with the company who makes the decision.

Re:MasterCard under DDOS, can't process SecureCode online pa... by noblethrasher on Wednesday December 08, 2010 @12:55PM (#1983851)
Strike actions have symmetry and boundedness. Withholding labor obviously affects both the company and the workers and the action can only go so far since both sides need each other to survive.

This kind of action is asymmetric and unbounded: Anon can hurt MasterCard without cost to himself (presumably) and he can theoretically carry it out for as long as he wants. This can only lead to some kind of escalation if MasterCard (and similar entities) want to survive.

Re:MasterCard under DDOS, can't process SecureCode online pa... by follower on Wednesday December 08, 2010 @01:57PM (#1984108)
> Anon can hurt MasterCard without cost to himself (presumably)

Presumably getting caught and jailed/fined is a potential cost? So it's not an action without risk/cost.

Re:MasterCard under DDOS, can't process SecureCode online pa... by steveklabnik on Wednesday December 08, 2010 @07:38PM (#1985418)
As one of their propaganda posters says, "Just say you've gotten a virus." The chances of anyone getting nailed for this are pretty low.
Re:MasterCard under DDOS, can't process SecureCode online pa... by loewenskind on Thursday December 09, 2010 @10:16AM (#1987712)
I wouldn't be so sure. This was organized somewhere and I doubt every one of the people involved was technically good enough to completely hide their IP address. Don't be shocked if someone gets jail time and a fine of millions of dollars over this.
Re:MasterCard under DDOS, can't process SecureCode online pa... by corin_ on Wednesday December 08, 2010 @01:05PM (#1983899)
Agreed. My comparison was purely in reply to the concept of "you shouldn't hurt a company to improve things, because it hurts their customers too."
Re:MasterCard under DDOS, can't process SecureCode online pa... by ghostDancer on Wednesday December 08, 2010 @01:40PM (#1984028)
Well the you can compare it with commercial sanctions to Cuba, Irak or North Korea that the international community don't suffer too much (they're not big players) but the people of those countries do, not only their governments.
Re:MasterCard under DDOS, can't process SecureCode online pa... by berntb on Thursday December 09, 2010 @04:58AM (#1986838)
OTOH, you can't let dictators use their own population as hostages, when they buy weapons instead of feeding the populations (Saddam, which you mentioned, had lots of money from smuggling).

Also, is it better to let those populations suffer in "jail" for generations? (If I was Eastern European, I'd be pretty pissed to have been left to rot until 1989.)

If nothing else, the dictators spread their problems (support of terrorists, atom weapon programs etc).

Look at WW II for what will happen when democracies are pressed. At the start of the war, British military argued against bombing private property (German factories). Compare that to a few years later.

(I guess the place where this is closest to happen next, is Israel and the humongous Hezbollah (/Hamas?) arsenals of rockets optimized for attacks against civilians.)

Point is, those juntas are arguably a blight on humanity that needs to be solved, the longer it takes the worse it might be.

Ah well, this is both after the discussion and irrelevant to Wikileaks.

Edit: Made a bit clearer.

Re:MasterCard under DDOS, can't process SecureCode online pa... by noblethrasher on Wednesday December 08, 2010 @04:02PM (#1984591)
Oh, there wasn't much of a disagreement on my part; I was just pointing out the essential differences more explicitly.
Re:MasterCard under DDOS, can't process SecureCode online pa... by varjag on Wednesday December 08, 2010 @11:35AM (#1983510)
The difference might not be as huge, Round Robin was not invented for nothing. Just that the online world has more opportunity for anonymous sabotage.