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Re:Twisted graphene has become the big thing in physics by gigatexal on Thursday May 02, 2019 @11:19PM (#19815232)
Yes. There’s not applicable commercially viable things based on graphene yet. But superconductivity will be a revolution in many ways and especially in computing.
Re:Twisted graphene has become the big thing in physics by empath75 on Friday May 03, 2019 @07:05AM (#19817266)
I don’t think there’s any indication that this will work at temperatures far from absolute zero, though.
Re:Twisted graphene has become the big thing in physics by mailslot on Friday May 03, 2019 @12:53AM (#19815686)
Superconductivity would revolutionize transportation, low cost medical imaging with MRIs, and weapons. Lots of weapons.
Re:Twisted graphene has become the big thing in physics by scotradamus on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:08AM (#19815959)
You're forgetting the two most important; energy storage and transport.
Re:Twisted graphene has become the big thing in physics by m12k on Friday May 03, 2019 @05:19AM (#19816776)
Yeah, imagine if we could more or less losslessly transfer electricity over vast distances. Massive renewable energy farms could be built wherever there was sun/wind/rivers whether the energy consumers are close or not. Energy could be sent to pump water into reservoirs as huge centralized batteries. The problem with 'what happens when the sun isn't shining/the wind isn't blowing' could be sidestepped because it's always sunny/windy somewhere, so we just get the power from as far away as needed.
Re:Twisted graphene has become the big thing in physics by fsh on Friday May 03, 2019 @05:32AM (#19816844)
People seem to underestimate how efficient regular power lines are. The continent-spanning european power grid has a total transmission loss of about 6% using 19th century technology (transformers and copper wires). Modern high voltage DC lines can perform even better. The main limitation seems to be that people don't want to have power lines in their back yard. Not something that superconductors are going to sove.
Re:Twisted graphene has become the big thing in physics by kingkongjaffa on Friday May 03, 2019 @05:52AM (#19816922)
Also the cost of a equivalent superconductor network would be an order of magnitude more expensive that what is essentially room temperature metal cables with very basic technology - transformers, insulation, and switchgear.
Re:Twisted graphene has become the big thing in physics by londons_explore on Friday May 03, 2019 @06:49AM (#19817178)
A superconducting power network could be built today - it would consist of a pair of ceramic superconductors suspended in a liquid helium pipe, wrapped with 3 feet of insulation.

Every few kilometers, one would need liquid helium pumping and chilling plants.

Total helium losses to leakage wouldn't be too big. Electricity transmission efficiency would be reduced by all the chilling gear running, but still better than regular conductors.

The only real barrier is cost. Not even the cost of the superconducting material. You can't hang a 6 feet diameter pipe on pylons across the nation - you're going to have to bury it, and that's going to get exxxxxpensive fast!

Re:Twisted graphene has become the big thing in physics by stupidcar on Friday May 03, 2019 @07:39AM (#19817456)
> The only real barrier is cost.

I feel like this could almost be a slogan for the human race at this point. Our grasp of science and engineering has reached a level where's there's very few things we might want to build where we couldn't conceivably do it. We could build the most outlandish megastructures, infrastructure and space bases if we really had to, but it all just costs too much.

Re:Twisted graphene has become the big thing in physics by londons_explore on Friday May 03, 2019 @08:24AM (#19817753)
"It's expensive and we couldn't find investors" really means "It's a lot of work, and nobody thinks it'll be worth it".

We might be able to anything, but the capitalist system stops us doing things that don't look profitable.

Re:Twisted graphene has become the big thing in physics by naasking on Friday May 03, 2019 @09:28AM (#19818185)
Profitability at time X is a pretty decent heuristic for whether something is worth doing at time X.
Re:Twisted graphene has become the big thing in physics by danharaj on Friday May 03, 2019 @10:12AM (#19818577)
How do you know that? Unknown unknowns.
Re:Twisted graphene has become the big thing in physics by naasking on Friday May 03, 2019 @11:39AM (#19819365)
Unknown unknowns are more likely to cause problems and delay completion, not accelerate development.
Re:Twisted graphene has become the big thing in physics by ThrowawayR2 on Friday May 03, 2019 @10:57AM (#19818992)
> ...suspended in a liquid helium pipe...

Where would we get enough helium to cover more than a small city's worth of power transmission lines?

Re:Twisted graphene has become the big thing in physics by Retra on Friday May 03, 2019 @10:49AM (#19818925)
Is the amount of energy you spend building and maintaining that network more than what you're already losing to inefficiency?
Re:Twisted graphene has become the big thing in physics by mikhailfranco on Friday May 03, 2019 @06:32AM (#19817098)
Interesting video on Chinese 'supergrid' from coal plants in the west, to the population centers in the east, a total length of 3,324 km (2,065 miles):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfG0USvDTew&t=686s

To increase efficiency, they are increasing the voltage to 1.1 MV:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfG0USvDTew&t=780s

Re:Twisted graphene has become the big thing in physics by londons_explore on Friday May 03, 2019 @06:42AM (#19817141)
Since the population and the generation is intermingled, the average joule of energy actually doesn't travel far. Perhaps only a few hundred km.
Re:Twisted graphene has become the big thing in physics by chimprich on Friday May 03, 2019 @06:00AM (#19816950)
Increasing power transfer effectiveness by even 1% seems like it would be a huge improvement when you consider the energy demands of a continent. That's potentially a lot of CO2 saved.
Re:Twisted graphene has become the big thing in physics by jacquesm on Friday May 03, 2019 @12:31PM (#19819824)
I find it hard to tell if you're serious or not. To a rough approximation this is exactly how it works today.
Re:Twisted graphene has become the big thing in physics by agumonkey on Friday May 03, 2019 @07:11AM (#19817291)
Reminds me that I need to check performances of graphene supercaps featured electric engines.
Re:Twisted graphene has become the big thing in physics by peanutz454 on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:47AM (#19816128)
I understand what superconductivity is and how it can revolutionize things in general. But why those things in particular? So transport for example - better maglev trains?
Re:Twisted graphene has become the big thing in physics by dzhiurgis on Friday May 03, 2019 @03:31AM (#19816292)
MRI’s use helium cooled magnets to create extreme magnetic fields. That cooling costs a lot...
Re:Twisted graphene has become the big thing in physics by tigershark on Friday May 03, 2019 @03:14AM (#19816229)
A huge amount of energy is wasted distributing electricity for 10s of thousands km. I am not sure how it can help storage though, even if you theoretically can let the electricity spin in a closed loop forever the energy density seems way too low to me.
Re:Twisted graphene has become the big thing in physics by gingabriska on Friday May 03, 2019 @03:45AM (#19816372)
Graphene based supercapacitors have huge capacitance because graphene is single atom thick, so you can put a lot of layer of this material increasing total surface area hence capacitance for same volume of capacitor space used.
Re:Twisted graphene has become the big thing in physics by gigatexal on Friday May 03, 2019 @07:32AM (#19817409)
Here's to hoping my phone has enough milliamps to stay alive for more than 8 hours and that this happens in my lifetime. #firstworldproblems for sure but come on it would be really cool.
Re:Twisted graphene has become the big thing in physics by gingabriska on Friday May 03, 2019 @07:39AM (#19817458)
I've same problem, it's now less bad with Quick Charge and Powerbank combo but still bad.
Re:Twisted graphene has become the big thing in physics by fsh on Friday May 03, 2019 @04:02AM (#19816444)
A standard 380 kV power line has a loss on the order of 1% per 100 km. Unless you want to span large continents, this doesn't seem like a big limitation at all.
Re:Twisted graphene has become the big thing in physics by tigershark on Friday May 03, 2019 @09:14AM (#19818086)
Power Lines are several hundreds of km and even only 1% of the global electric production seems a huge amount to me... But in reality it is much more, in US is 5%: https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=105&t=3
Re:Twisted graphene has become the big thing in physics by fsh on Friday May 03, 2019 @09:45AM (#19818373)
These numbers show that the grid is already 95% efficient! It makes much more sense to improve the really inefficient parts, such as power plants and electricity consumers.
Re:Twisted graphene has become the big thing in physics by Yuioup on Friday May 03, 2019 @01:57AM (#19815915)
So how is that coming along. It seems like I've been hearing about graphene for ages now.
Re:Twisted graphene has become the big thing in physics by Traubenfuchs on Friday May 03, 2019 @03:13AM (#19816223)
Mass scale applications are just around the corner -just like batteries that have 600% more capacity than current batteries.
Re:Twisted graphene has become the big thing in physics by Vekz on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:14AM (#19815987)
Define 'ages'
Re:Twisted graphene has become the big thing in physics by yupchecksout on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:30AM (#19816061)
For me, a decade since I last touch the stuff for my PhD thesis.
Re:Twisted graphene has become the big thing in physics by Yuioup on Friday May 03, 2019 @03:13AM (#19816221)
Ever since the physicist got a Nobel prize for it. I don't remember who it was and when it happened (I'm too lazy to Google it right now).