Re:Google Will Soon Let Users Automatically Scrub Location a...
by Sir_Cmpwn on Thursday May 02, 2019 @11:45AM
(#19809135)
Will they also untrain the machine learning model that they've fed all of this data into to predict exactly what kind of ads are most likely to get you to spend money? How about slurping up data for users who don't have an account but send a ping to google on every goddamn page on the internet?
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Re:Google Will Soon Let Users Automatically Scrub Location a...
by saulrh on Thursday May 02, 2019 @01:45PM
(#19810447)
From someone else's post up-thread: "In general models trained on individual users' data get rebuilt when the underlying data changes so as to properly reflect the current state of the source data." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19809346
Re:Google Will Soon Let Users Automatically Scrub Location a...
by user17843 on Thursday May 02, 2019 @01:02PM
(#19809973)
Google is not allowed to collect PII data of users who visit google services without registering. So everytime you delete your cookies, you are a new user, and they also are not allowed to log the ip address of non-users indefinitely.
Re:Google Will Soon Let Users Automatically Scrub Location a...
by Sir_Cmpwn on Thursday May 02, 2019 @01:05PM
(#19810012)
Do you have a source, or any evidence that they don't? Google doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt. This is literally their business model.
Re:Google Will Soon Let Users Automatically Scrub Location a...
by user17843 on Thursday May 02, 2019 @01:27PM
(#19810265)
I think this is basically the GDPR rules, but I would need to look into the details more.
Re:Google Will Soon Let Users Automatically Scrub Location a...
by bduerst on Thursday May 02, 2019 @04:48PM
(#19812714)
You're right - Article 3 of GDPR defines the scope as applying to any user residing in the EU. If the users are not logged in then you don't know where they reside (IP address != residence), meaning any international company that operates in the EU needs to err on the side of caution for non-logged in users everywhere.
Re:Google Will Soon Let Users Automatically Scrub Location a...
by jefftk on Thursday May 02, 2019 @05:03PM
(#19812896)
IP address geolocation is the normal way people determine if GDPR applies.
Re:Google Will Soon Let Users Automatically Scrub Location a...
by bduerst on Friday May 03, 2019 @02:42PM
(#19821100)
IP address geolocation is not always accurate, can be spoofed, and is flat out wrong for EU residents who travel outside of the EU.
Maybe it's normal for a startup, but for a billion dollar company, they're not going to roll the dice on 4% revenue fines and IP address geolocation.
Re:Google Will Soon Let Users Automatically Scrub Location a...
by jefftk on Friday May 03, 2019 @06:00PM
(#19822669)
If you send some test requests to any big company including Google I believe you'll see they're using IPgeo.
(Disclosure: I work at Google, I'm not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice)
Re:Google Will Soon Let Users Automatically Scrub Location a...
by user17843 on Saturday May 04, 2019 @05:35AM
(#19825409)
Do you think my interpretation of Google not having long-term user-profiles of non-logged in users due to GDPR is correct? I read that Google has rolled out their GDPR compliance worldwide.
Re:Google Will Soon Let Users Automatically Scrub Location a...
by bduerst on Wednesday May 08, 2019 @12:44AM
(#19855937)
Simply using an IPGeo service doesn't mean they're not handling the GDPR compliance differently.
Re:Google Will Soon Let Users Automatically Scrub Location a...
by craftyguy on Thursday May 02, 2019 @05:15PM
(#19813037)
GPDR is not recognized in all countries, and most notably not in the country google calls 'home'.
Re:Google Will Soon Let Users Automatically Scrub Location a...
by YokoZar on Thursday May 02, 2019 @09:33PM
(#19814701)
Google is an Irish company.
Re:Google Will Soon Let Users Automatically Scrub Location a...
by mtgx on Thursday May 02, 2019 @01:39PM
(#19810378)
Translation: American users are f-ed.
Re:Google Will Soon Let Users Automatically Scrub Location a...
by LostJourneyman on Thursday May 02, 2019 @03:09PM
(#19811485)
GDPR is not enforceable in the US, so this is applicable only to the EU. In the US AFIAK Google can collect anything that you consent to.
Re:Google Will Soon Let Users Automatically Scrub Location a...
by andrepd on Thursday May 02, 2019 @12:13PM
(#19809461)
uBlock with dynamic filtering takes care of that for me, but I recognise it isn't practical for >95% of internet users.
Re:Google Will Soon Let Users Automatically Scrub Location a...
by the_duke on Thursday May 02, 2019 @01:09PM
(#19810046)
I use uMatrix, but the amount of sites where you need to allow Google domains and cookies for reCaptcha to work is depressing.
Re:Google Will Soon Let Users Automatically Scrub Location a...
by andrepd on Thursday May 02, 2019 @01:21PM
(#19810196)
And then you will be "punished" for being off the grid, and the images will take 8 seconds to fade out and fade in...
Re:Google Will Soon Let Users Automatically Scrub Location a...
by luckylion on Thursday May 02, 2019 @01:34PM
(#19810338)
Glad I'm not the only one hating this. Especially with lots of captchas in a row it's super annoying - "yeah, it's the same browser, same cookie, same IP, doing the tenth captcha in 10 minutes, all previous tests succeeded ... better make sure to look extra closely and slow it down".
Re:Google Will Soon Let Users Automatically Scrub Location a...
by Simon_says on Thursday May 02, 2019 @04:56PM
(#19812816)
I've experienced this too. Are you saying Google's algorithms know (or at least strongly suspect) I'm human but throttle me anyways because I've taken steps to protect my privacy? Out of spite?