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Re:Flutter desktop shells by nova22033 on Thursday April 25, 2019 @10:37AM (#19748588)
yet-another Proprietary Google Technology

Dart is open source: https://github.com/dart-lang

It took me two minutes to find that using googles real proprietary technology..their search.

Re:Flutter desktop shells by tadzik_ on Thursday April 25, 2019 @10:45AM (#19748678)
Sure it is, but I can see why OP looks down on it – just like their web rendering engine, it may be open source, but it's Google holding all the cards and ultimately making all the decisions. It may be opensource now while it's useful for them, but it may end up just like Android over the years: more and more closed bit by bit.
Re:Flutter desktop shells by jonny_eh on Thursday April 25, 2019 @10:54AM (#19748784)
Is Google any worse than some "benevolent dictator for life" like other open-source languages?
Re:Flutter desktop shells by sametmax on Thursday April 25, 2019 @11:04AM (#19748903)
Yes. They drop projects all the time, have numerous conflicts of interest, and it's close to impossible to talk with them
Re:Flutter desktop shells by mda on Thursday April 25, 2019 @08:19PM (#19753766)
Except they don't drop many more projects all the time, Funny that people here argues it should drop Dart. I am glad they are sticking to it.
Re:Flutter desktop shells by asutekku on Thursday April 25, 2019 @11:00AM (#19748860)
Google has abandoned so many projects people (developers) don’t have that much of a faith in them anymore.
Re:Flutter desktop shells by ngrilly on Thursday April 25, 2019 @11:33AM (#19749200)
A lot of open sources are abandoned in general. Google has a good track record regarding the maintenance of their open source projects. Google has abandoned some proprietary products (Google Reader, Google +, etc.), but it says nothing about their open source strategy.
Re:Flutter desktop shells by asutekku on Thursday April 25, 2019 @01:15PM (#19750282)
For a public view it doesn’t really matter if it is proprietary project or not. They have tarnished their own reputation even at the development field with their actions.
Re:Flutter desktop shells by neves on Thursday April 25, 2019 @11:34AM (#19749214)
Sure Google is worse. A BDFL usually started it as a personal project, has deep interest in making the software flourish in the most places possible. Google interest is their bottom line, and it will base their technical decisions.
Re:Flutter desktop shells by simonh on Thursday April 25, 2019 @11:04AM (#19748905)
Benevolent dictators eventually die, or retire while corporate entities can exist for a very long time[1].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kong%C5%8D_Gumi

Re:Flutter desktop shells by yellowapple on Thursday April 25, 2019 @04:19PM (#19752141)
In the sense that the thing worse than "benevolent dictator for life" is "non-benevolent dictator for life".
Re:Flutter desktop shells by nova22033 on Thursday April 25, 2019 @11:33AM (#19749198)
Have people stopped developing Android apps?
Re:Flutter desktop shells by lima on Thursday April 25, 2019 @10:44AM (#19748664)
The litmus test is "will it survive if Google pulls the plug on it?", and I suspect the answer is "No".

But this is true of so many widely used open source projects.

Re:Flutter desktop shells by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Thursday April 25, 2019 @12:47PM (#19749958)
Sure, technically. The same way Chromium is technically open source. Funny how everything in the web browser world ends up how Google wants it regardless.
Re:Flutter desktop shells by nova22033 on Thursday April 25, 2019 @02:50PM (#19751319)
What's stopping you from forking and making changes you want?

Literally nothing

Re:Flutter desktop shells by saagarjha on Thursday April 25, 2019 @08:33PM (#19753827)
Nothing. The issue is that your changes don’t actually do much when the web moves on without them.
Re:Flutter desktop shells by zeusk on Thursday April 25, 2019 @06:01PM (#19752901)
until they come up with Angular-esque Dart 2.0 that is not backwards compatible and you're left maintaining their mess.

Forks are nice for small patches or development teams with a plan, no one outside Google cares enough about Dart fwik.

Re:Flutter desktop shells by jasonvorhe on Thursday April 25, 2019 @10:43AM (#19748660)
This is HN. Everything Google does is evil. Don't forget that.