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Re:Buca di Beppo, America’s Most Postmodern Red Sauce Chain by cowmoo728 on Monday April 22, 2019 @04:10PM (#19722393)
Cheesecake Factory? They're famous for having terrible decor, service, and food, yet somehow being an essential part of the American high school prom experience.

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Re:Buca di Beppo, America’s Most Postmodern Red Sauce Chain by dragonwriter on Monday April 22, 2019 @05:10PM (#19723029)
> Cheesecake Factory? They're famous for having terrible decor, service, and food,

I've always found CF to have decent service and good (but not outstanding) food, a ludicrously long menu being the main negative, plus the fact that it's always ludicrously crowded because they underprice for their appeal.

The decor is gaudy, but not what I would describe as terrible (or even unpleasant, just incongruous.)

Re:Buca di Beppo, America’s Most Postmodern Red Sauce Chain by mixmastamyk on Monday April 22, 2019 @06:29PM (#19723675)
They've got cheesecake, who cares about decor?
Re:Buca di Beppo, America’s Most Postmodern Red Sauce Chain by ocdtrekkie on Monday April 22, 2019 @05:34PM (#19723215)
I get so peeved by the treatment of chain restaurants like this as "poor" or "terrible". Because you know what, Cheesecake Factory, Olive Garden, Red Lobster, Outback Steakhouse? These are some of the nicest restaurants the average citizen can hope to afford to go to more than once in their lifetime.

It isn't going to impress folks who have a personal chef at home, but the food is pretty darn good, and you don't have to saw off your right arm to pay for it.

Re:Buca di Beppo, America’s Most Postmodern Red Sauce Chain by Gorbzel on Monday April 22, 2019 @06:04PM (#19723465)
> These are some of the nicest restaurants the average citizen can hope to afford to go to more than once in their lifetime.

This is almost undoubtedly untrue.

There are many independent or local restaurants in most regions that cost the same (or less) than the chains you mention. Ethnic restaurants frequently deliver more bang for the buck. In all of these non-chain categories there are “nicer” options that deliver a better atmosphere, food, wine, whatever the citizen in question is looking for.

As for the chains, they should have at least one thing to offer: consistency. No one is faulting folks for having a guilty pleasure, or working a chain into their routine when they’re looking for a known quantity meal.

But some people never break out of the mundane that consistency brings. The types who are too afraid to try things because they’re supposedly “fancy.” Or because they don’t look like they 2nd generation immigrants who run the restaurant down the road. The kind of folks who go to a Buca in Honolulu or Applebee’s in Times Square; those places are expensive as shit, and living a life like that is truly terrible.

Re:Buca di Beppo, America’s Most Postmodern Red Sauce Chain by ng12 on Monday April 22, 2019 @05:50PM (#19723348)
The value proposition really isn't that great. It's not any cheaper than food from a local Italian joint. What you're paying for is that Olive Garden experience, whatever that is worth to you.

A good example is the Olive Garden in Times Square. It's _always_ packed despite there being better Italian places a few blocks away. Not to mention, if you're willing to hop on the subway there's significantly better Italian food available in the outer boroughs for much cheaper. Olive Garden isn't that cheap, that nice, or that tasty which makes it a mystery to a lot of people.

Re:Buca di Beppo, America’s Most Postmodern Red Sauce Chain by jpatokal on Monday April 22, 2019 @05:55PM (#19723398)
Part of that value prop is predictability. There are a lot of people who like to know exactly what they'll get, even when (especially when) travelling, and this is also why highway rest areas and airports so often have national fast food & coffee chains.
Re:Buca di Beppo, America’s Most Postmodern Red Sauce Chain by ocdtrekkie on Monday April 22, 2019 @05:55PM (#19723399)
I would argue the cost is not much higher than fast food, but the quality is arguably still a large step up. Obviously these places get a lot of points for their excellent choice of bread (be they sticks, biscuits, etc.), and there's arguably something to be said for going to a restaurant and knowing they have food you like.

If you go to these restaurants a little more regularly, you also can stack up the rewards benefits, sometimes you can get discounted gift cards, etc. All of which you will not find at a non-chain restaurant.

Which is to say, if I can get a sirloin for the cost of a Whopper, it isn't much of a mystery why people go there.

Re:Buca di Beppo, America’s Most Postmodern Red Sauce Chain by dsr_ on Monday April 22, 2019 @05:56PM (#19723408)
Olive Garden's appeal in Times Square is the same as McDonald's: you're in a strange place, but you know what you can expect to find inside, and you know your kids will eat it while you have a glass of mediocre wine.
Re:Buca di Beppo, America’s Most Postmodern Red Sauce Chain by ocdtrekkie on Monday April 22, 2019 @05:58PM (#19723429)
FWIW, if you go to McDonald's in some foreign countries you will be in for a shock as they serve many region-specific items. (Though in Paris, it's a pleasant shock, it's mostly the same but all of the food is better/healthier.)

Source: Yes, I traveled to the capital of a country known explicitly for it's exquisite food and did patronize a McDonald's.

Re:Buca di Beppo, America’s Most Postmodern Red Sauce Chain by dagw on Tuesday April 23, 2019 @06:37AM (#19727202)
FWIW, if you go to McDonald's in some foreign countries you will be in for a shock as they serve many region-specific items.

I still remember getting a surprisingly nice pepperoni pizza at a McDonald's in the US many years ago. Undoubtedly the nicest thing I've eaten at a McDonald's anywhere in the world.

Yes, I traveled to the capital of a country known explicitly for it's exquisite food and did patronize a McDonald's.

Some of the, by far, worst restaurants I've ever eaten at have been in France so there's a chance that McDonald's wasn't the worst choice you could have made.

Re:Buca di Beppo, America’s Most Postmodern Red Sauce Chain by mgarfias on Monday April 22, 2019 @11:35PM (#19725378)
i stopped in at one in new zealand for shits and grins. got some sorta tandoori wtfever chicken thing. it was vile. but it was exploring the unknown known.

also: walmarts in mexico are a step up from the ones in the us.

Re:Buca di Beppo, America’s Most Postmodern Red Sauce Chain by Digory on Monday April 22, 2019 @11:48PM (#19725446)
Every time I go to Cheesecake Factory or Red Lobster, I can always think of better replacements at the same price point.

I think some of it is cultural. Like BdB, these restaurants cater to a little gluttony. Portions are generally HUGE, and there's no disdain for a person who wants a Bloomin' Onion or endless breadsticks. Darden knows how to do an upscale steakhouse; it also knows what draws in thrifty, hardworking people who want overindulgence without pity or scorn.

We recently got dragged to a local outpost of "The Pizza Ranch," a 250+ location chain that serves fried chicken and pizza with wagonwheel decor. The waiting line looked like a casting call for People of Walmart. And that's just it; it's a different market. It's not serving the middle-aged man who wants a well-prepared meal with fresh ingredients.

Re:Buca di Beppo, America’s Most Postmodern Red Sauce Chain by asark on Monday April 22, 2019 @06:21PM (#19723591)
Olive Garden in particular's worse than middle-high tier frozen Italian food in a bag, which comes out to the same price or cheaper. Certain dishes are worse than budget frozen Italian food that can be prepped in its container, a microwave. Granted you have to do some work for those but it's usually "heat in pan, serve" or similar. It used to be better (like, 10+ years ago) but has gotten quite a bit worse. Maybe a few dishes are better than that, but none of the ones I've ordered when I've gone in the last decade or so—one gets invited, and a place has to be damn bad before they go on my "I will risk being rude to avoid going here, and will not take the food for free" list.

Kinda like how up to a few years ago Noodles & Company was pretty good cheap food, then they doubled all their portion sizes and their food unaccountably dropped to sub-frozen-and-boxed-food quality levels and they started calling themselves "World Kitchen" or something.

Re:Buca di Beppo, America’s Most Postmodern Red Sauce Chain by mixmastamyk on Monday April 22, 2019 @06:25PM (#19723636)
When I read one of those I mentally replace the name with "McDonalds." As in, look at this hifalutin' VIP bigwig who's too good for McDonalds ... or Starbucks. Not saying much.

None of these are my favorite restaurants, but they'll do in a pinch.

Re:Buca di Beppo, America’s Most Postmodern Red Sauce Chain by chc on Monday April 22, 2019 @05:54PM (#19723386)
I don't think it's really price snobbery. I've been to much nicer restaurants with average plate prices in the $10–$20 dollar range that those places fall into. There are even a lot of "foodie" places in that range.
Re:Buca di Beppo, America’s Most Postmodern Red Sauce Chain by notbob on Tuesday April 23, 2019 @12:14AM (#19725573)
> the average citizen can hope to afford to go to

None of the places you listed are cheap. The price of a steak at CF or Outback is about the same as the price of a steak at any "$$" restaurant. Olive garden is particularly expensive for what they offer (except lunch, which is a legitimately good deal as long as you're okay with eating 3 days worth of calories in breadsticks and can afford to be in a food coma all afternoon). And red lobster is just legit expensive and low-quality... you're better off on both price and quality with pretty much any other restaurant that has a fish menu...

Applebees, Chilis, and TGI Fridays, on the other hand, do have truly "economy" menu items. However, you still get what you pay for -- the key insight is that those places compete with bars, not restaurants, on price point. You can get sauce-covered chicken strips with frys for $10 at any mom and pop corner bar...

Re:Buca di Beppo, America’s Most Postmodern Red Sauce Chain by cowmoo728 on Monday April 22, 2019 @05:54PM (#19723392)
Many local diners have a better steak for the same price as an Outback. The chains definitely win on always-good-enough consistency, since you know exactly what you're going to get at what price.
Re:Buca di Beppo, America’s Most Postmodern Red Sauce Chain by AjithAntony on Monday April 22, 2019 @08:14PM (#19724419)
Wow, I must be pretty unsophisticated. I always thought cheesecake factory was a fancy place. I guess being located at the fancy retail mall must have colored my perception.
Re:Buca di Beppo, America’s Most Postmodern Red Sauce Chain by hopler on Monday April 22, 2019 @05:29PM (#19723175)
Being hated by hipsters who resent simple pleasures available to all is part of the appeal.
Re:Buca di Beppo, America’s Most Postmodern Red Sauce Chain by eBombzor on Monday April 22, 2019 @04:45PM (#19722806)
lol the chain of tweets and the reaction at the end was pretty funny.