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Re:Austrian government seeks to eliminate internet anonymity... by kdme on Friday April 19, 2019 @08:49AM (#19699118)
What a scary idea. I want to say that its unlikely to happen but with the political climate right not...

Anybody got an ideas, on what we are supposed to do when that happens

Re:Austrian government seeks to eliminate internet anonymity... by snaky on Friday April 19, 2019 @09:12AM (#19699291)
People are very adaptable and will consider all that things new normal. XIX century Americans would consider an income tax in a peacetime grossly inappropriate, creepy and a violation of their dignity after all.
Re:Austrian government seeks to eliminate internet anonymity... by gph on Friday April 19, 2019 @09:30AM (#19699422)
And the more or less permanent state of war we find ourselves in could also be considered a new normal we've adapted to that XIX century Americans would find creepy and grossly inappropriate.
Re:Austrian government seeks to eliminate internet anonymity... by ameister14 on Friday April 19, 2019 @09:35AM (#19699459)
No, the US was at war for essentially the entirety of the 19th century.
Re:Austrian government seeks to eliminate internet anonymity... by mirimir on Friday April 19, 2019 @12:12PM (#19700687)
Pretty much, the US has always been at war. I mean, they used to have a War Department, which got renamed Defense Department for PR.
Re:Austrian government seeks to eliminate internet anonymity... by walshemj on Friday April 19, 2019 @04:40PM (#19702812)
Not really that's OTT hyperbole
Re:Austrian government seeks to eliminate internet anonymity... by ameister14 on Friday April 19, 2019 @05:41PM (#19703258)
Re:Austrian government seeks to eliminate internet anonymity... by Forbo on Friday April 19, 2019 @06:30PM (#19703553)
We've only had 21 years where we haven't been at war. https://www.globalresearch.ca/america-has-been-at-war-93-of-...
Re:Austrian government seeks to eliminate internet anonymity... by vraivroo on Friday April 19, 2019 @04:54PM (#19702920)
Re:Austrian government seeks to eliminate internet anonymity... by moate on Friday April 19, 2019 @09:30AM (#19699428)
As would 19th century Americans
Re:Austrian government seeks to eliminate internet anonymity... by Silhouette on Friday April 19, 2019 @12:14PM (#19700705)
Anybody got an ideas, on what we are supposed to do when that happens

Move to the next of the four boxes, though ideally before it happens. We need to advocate for important civil liberties and reasonable limits on the power of the state, but we do also need to then act according to that advocacy ourselves, for example by voting for people who take these issues seriously or funding legal actions to challenge excesses. A lack of public awareness of these issues and the potential implications for normal people's everyday lives is a big part of the problem, and as coldtea suggested above, shifting the Overton window is going to be crucial to improving the situation. It just needs to shift the other way from where a lot of the authoritarians in power today are trying to push it...

Re:Austrian government seeks to eliminate internet anonymity... by DyslexicAtheist on Friday April 19, 2019 @09:16AM (#19699314)
> Anybody got an ideas, on what we are supposed to do when that happens

only few things you can do (in that order depending on how bad it escalates), 0) start to learn about prepping and live a more unplugged live 1) flee and take refuge in a place that others call "backward" 2) take up arms and defend yourself

#2 will get you labeled a terrorist (though so was Count Stauffenberg)

Re:Austrian government seeks to eliminate internet anonymity... by coding123 on Friday April 19, 2019 @09:22AM (#19699368)
Well and more specifically in places like Colorado that would be enough to take away your guns.
Re:Austrian government seeks to eliminate internet anonymity... by dsfyu404ed on Friday April 19, 2019 @09:50AM (#19699590)
Who's gonna take them? Remember that couple in Houston that put the hurt on a swat team. It doesn't take many events like that to really dampen the enthusiasm for kicking down doors (especially when you're doing it to simply confiscate property). The cops are subject to the same risk calculations as any other home invaders.
Re:Austrian government seeks to eliminate internet anonymity... by TeMPOraL on Friday April 19, 2019 @01:21PM (#19701256)
Cops have higher ceiling of available tools of coercion. You really want every police visit to start with a flashbang through the window?
Re:Austrian government seeks to eliminate internet anonymity... by gowld on Friday April 19, 2019 @09:32AM (#19699437)
ATF is a federal agency. No state is protected against military action against gun holders.
Re:Austrian government seeks to eliminate internet anonymity... by dsfyu404ed on Friday April 19, 2019 @09:58AM (#19699641)
Due to a sad trilogy of events at the end of last century (specifically Episode 2: Texas BBQ) the ATF of this century mostly conducts stings and information based enforcement (i.e. nabbing people for buying Glock switches online). Were they to go back to kicking down doors of people who are generally considered normal patriotic Americans they would A) be more likely to get shot back at than any other agency (much easier to justify and mentally prepare yourself to shoot back at career snake steppers than your local PD) and B) have some really, really bad optics to contend with.

If you're worried about someone taking your guns be worried about the state police.

Re:Austrian government seeks to eliminate internet anonymity... by dsfyu404ed on Friday April 19, 2019 @08:43PM (#19704144)
Edit. I should mention that that "Texas BBQ" happened 26yr ago today. God damn that shit makes my blood boil.
Re:Austrian government seeks to eliminate internet anonymity... by snazz on Friday April 19, 2019 @09:07AM (#19699242)
Start a “counterculture network” of onion-routed hidden services (not necessarily Tor, but something akin). Some element of steganography would likely be required to prevent government-controlled ISPs from simply dropping encrypted traffic, most likely.

It would be hard and would likely attract only technically-minded individuals to use.

Re:Austrian government seeks to eliminate internet anonymity... by mirimir on Friday April 19, 2019 @12:26PM (#19700807)
Better than that, build an anonymity network with both mixing and onion routing, and full padding with chaff. And implement it as drive-by malware, with worm capability. Like WannaCry. It'd be basically a huge botnet. And it would use a covert channel in HD video, which would provide enough bandwidth for text, at least, and maybe images.

That way, participation by servers and clients would be plausibly compulsory. Both because it would evade protection, and because sympathetic admins and users could "accidentally" let it install. And that would provide plausible deniability.

A plausibly deniable user interface would be the hardest part. It'd probably need to self install, and then securely delete itself after use.

Re:Austrian government seeks to eliminate internet anonymity... by liotier on Friday April 19, 2019 @09:34AM (#19699452)
> It would be hard and would likely attract only technically-minded individuals

... and police forces: a nice feature of leaving a few gaps that motivated users can use is that the police can focus its limited resources on the those interesting targets.

Re:Austrian government seeks to eliminate internet anonymity... by coldtea on Friday April 19, 2019 @09:05AM (#19699224)
Well, the old ideas still work: revolt or submit.
Re:Austrian government seeks to eliminate internet anonymity... by rifung on Friday April 19, 2019 @07:43PM (#19703941)
This is going to be an unpopular opinion but I'm hoping someone can explain why I'm wrong.

I actually would really welcome online activities no longer being anonymous.

I feel like a large part of why people on the internet are so terrible to one another is that there's really no accountability because of the anonymity.

This is true in many areas including hate speech or posting illegal/inappropriate material.

I suppose I don't know if I think it should be LAW that requires everyone be deanonymized, but I do wish people on the internet would treat each other closer to the way they do in real life.

Re:Austrian government seeks to eliminate internet anonymity... by reitanqild on Saturday April 20, 2019 @04:57AM (#19705496)
> I feel like a large part of why people on the internet are so terrible to one another is that there's really no accountability because of the anonymity.

Sounds plausible until you consider that many of the worst comments are written by real people logged in using their real Facebook accounts -

... and some of the best forums online don't demand anything but a username and password like here.

IMO real name policies are way less effective than some people want you to think, and they'll effectively prevent certain minorities from participating in online debates.

Re:Austrian government seeks to eliminate internet anonymity... by AdrianB1 on Friday April 19, 2019 @09:36PM (#19704326)
"I'm hoping someone can explain why I'm wrong." The answer is in your own words: " I suppose I don't know if I think it should be LAW". I suppose you are right: you don't know. Many people know for sure that they think this is a bad idea to put in place such a law.