How to Track Your Kids (and Other People's Kids) with the TicTocTrack Watch

Re:How to Track Your Kids (and Other People's Kids) with the... by janpot on Thursday April 18, 2019 @11:23AM (#19691712)

Good, teach children they're being tracked as early as possible. Turn them into good citizens of the surveillance state. Maybe we can share the data to some advertising companies, to improve their ads experience throughout the day. Turn them into good citizens of the consumerism state.

Edit: I'm sorry for the sarcasm, these kinds of products make me very sad.

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Re:How to Track Your Kids (and Other People's Kids) with the... by madez on Thursday April 18, 2019 @11:31AM (#19691808)

Who is so delusional to think they are so superior to other humans as to think that the others should be constantly tracked and watched by them?

The damaging effects of that surveillance are similar to that of denied freedom of expression which heavily affects the thinking and development process of humans.

It's not logically sound to support freedom of expression and surveillance at the same time.

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Re:How to Track Your Kids (and Other People's Kids) with the... by cmurf on Thursday April 18, 2019 @12:40PM (#19692467)

Helicopter parents.

And who said humans are logical? But even setting aside the delusional, the superior, and the illogical, the largest group are ignorant or apathetic.

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Re:How to Track Your Kids (and Other People's Kids) with the... by dqpb on Thursday April 18, 2019 @01:42PM (#19693044)

I know it's cathartic to write people off as delusional, but I think it's more instructive to consider the behavioral science / game theory underlying peoples choices.

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Re:How to Track Your Kids (and Other People's Kids) with the... by jak92 on Thursday April 18, 2019 @11:32AM (#19691824)

Surveillance cameras everywhere are bad enough, now we want to bug our children? This madness needs to end.

Watched people are not free people.

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Re:How to Track Your Kids (and Other People's Kids) with the... by tcd on Thursday April 18, 2019 @12:06PM (#19692128)

Does a child have a smartphone? Congratulations, they're being tracked everywhere they go.

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Re:How to Track Your Kids (and Other People's Kids) with the... by gregcrv on Thursday April 18, 2019 @12:24PM (#19692329)

Surveillance cameras are already in most infant's rooms and even sometimes cribs.

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Re:How to Track Your Kids (and Other People's Kids) with the... by huehehue on Thursday April 18, 2019 @12:37PM (#19692440)

That's a bit of a special case. Infants don't understand the concept of privacy, and you're not ruining a baby's future childhood by keeping an eye on their breathing via private video feed. You can't really educate an infant into not spontaneously dying so they sort of need constant surveillance until they can think and speak on their own.

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Re:How to Track Your Kids (and Other People's Kids) with the... by noarchy on Thursday April 18, 2019 @01:17PM (#19692822)

>Infants don't understand the concept of privacy

I'm not sure this is limited to infants, though I realize it isn't an apples-to-apples comparison. People don't realize how they're being tracked by the devices they carry around, or the kinds of data they're willingly giving up. And even if it is explained, it doesn't seem to sink in that there is a wide-open window into their lives through which certain entities can easily peer.

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Re:How to Track Your Kids (and Other People's Kids) with the... by fhbdukfrh on Thursday April 18, 2019 @12:49PM (#19692557)

So you think SIDS can be effectively addressed by continuous visual monitoring? Do you remotely monitor their vitals as well?

I debate your point that you are not running their future; you're setting up the foundation for both parent and child that this is normal and to be expected. Also the assumption of privacy is tenuous given this experience and all the other terrible IoT implementations that have come to light

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Re:How to Track Your Kids (and Other People's Kids) with the... by drugme on Thursday April 18, 2019 @01:02PM (#19692686)

Surveillance cameras are already in most infant's rooms

Do you know this is true?

Or do you just... "think" it's true?

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Re:How to Track Your Kids (and Other People's Kids) with the... by djsumdog on Thursday April 18, 2019 @01:09PM (#19692749)

I think this poster is talking about baby monitors. The new ones let you view your kids from any phone or tablet on your account. With many of these devices, that image/audio gets sent to a remote server and then back to your house. Very few keep this information on your local network even if both devices are on the same Wi-Fi.

That is very troubling.

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Re:How to Track Your Kids (and Other People's Kids) with the... by fooblitzky on Thursday April 18, 2019 @02:05PM (#19693267)

I'm just curious how many commenters in this thread have children themselves? It would be interesting to see a poll showing the split between parents/non-parents.

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Re:How to Track Your Kids (and Other People's Kids) with the... by sctb on Thursday April 18, 2019 @01:17PM (#19692830)

You've been posting a lot unsubstantive, uncivil, or flamebait comments. We've asked you already to please stop, and we'll ban the account if you won't.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Re:How to Track Your Kids (and Other People's Kids) with the... by madez on Thursday April 18, 2019 @11:39AM (#19691888)

If somebody doesn't want to influence you, they don't surveil you. The contraposition is more revealing; If somebody surveils you, then they do it to influence you.

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Re:How to Track Your Kids (and Other People's Kids) with the... by mattbk1 on Thursday April 18, 2019 @11:59AM (#19692054)

Thank you for this. It's the natural extension of "you need to track what you want to change" at a personal level.

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Re:How to Track Your Kids (and Other People's Kids) with the... by SmellyGeekBoy on Thursday April 18, 2019 @12:05PM (#19692119)

Which country has an "oppressive liberal government" at the moment?

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Re:How to Track Your Kids (and Other People's Kids) with the... by hindsightbias on Thursday April 18, 2019 @12:59PM (#19692647)

From the time they get on the school bus and return home, they’re under surveillance. The majority of current-gen parents would expect this when their kids use public institutions.

HN view of privacy is quaint. The first cadre of post-911 and FB users must be 35-40 now, and they didn’t care.

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Re:How to Track Your Kids (and Other People's Kids) with the... by skizm on Thursday April 18, 2019 @12:48PM (#19692540)

Or you could just use it occasionally when you want to give your kids a bit more freedom than normal, but you're still a bit of a worrier. There is a state between complete lack of oversight and Black Mirror's Arkangel.

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Re:How to Track Your Kids (and Other People's Kids) with the... by rootusrootus on Thursday April 18, 2019 @12:23PM (#19692322)

Why such a low opinion of children? A lot of us grew up in public schools, taught to conform, etc, and ... well, look how well we are conforming? No dissent here, not one bit ;-)

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Re:How to Track Your Kids (and Other People's Kids) with the... by ravenstine on Thursday April 18, 2019 @12:42PM (#19692487)

Funny how most of us who grew up on the internet that included crap like Ogrish, Bumfights, hardcore porn ads, Newgrounds, hentai, etc., turned into everyday citizens rather than low-lifes and criminals.

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Re:How to Track Your Kids (and Other People's Kids) with the... by brlewis on Thursday April 18, 2019 @01:44PM (#19693071)

There's survivorship bias since low-lifes and criminals are less likely to be active here.

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Re:How to Track Your Kids (and Other People's Kids) with the... by inflatableDodo on Thursday April 18, 2019 @12:47PM (#19692527)

For one of the worst examples, the 'elf on a shelf' phenomena has now got utterly out of hand - https://www.google.com/search?tbm=shop&q=elf+santa+camera

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Re:How to Track Your Kids (and Other People's Kids) with the... by paul7986 on Thursday April 18, 2019 @12:09PM (#19692157)

Also teach them not to write fake reviews or any fakery on the iNet! Let's work to make the Internet great again....

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