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Re:SpaceX’s Starlink Constellation construction begins by phkahler on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @10:32PM (#19679233)
>> Starlink is also going to be seeing competition in the coming years thanks to companies like OneWeb and Telesat, which plans to create smaller constellations that will offer service by 2021. Tech giants like Amazon and Samsung have also announced plans to deploy their own constellations, which would consist of 3,236 to 4600 broadband satellites, respectively.

SpaceX has a huge advantage in launch costs here. Mass produced satellites will be lower cost per unit than most others, and launching on used rockets will give them the cheapest deployment costs ever. And they are the only company that can reuse rockets today. I don't see the competitors really having a chance.

Re:SpaceX’s Starlink Constellation construction begins by BurningFrog on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @10:33PM (#19679245)
Anyone can buy a launch on a SpaceX rocket.
Re:SpaceX’s Starlink Constellation construction begins by Pfhreak on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @10:34PM (#19679253)
At the same cost SpaceX pays for a launch? That seems improbable to me.
Re:SpaceX’s Starlink Constellation construction begins by serioussecurity on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @11:14PM (#19679452)
depends what you mean. If you think of it as a "replacement" of another launch they could have sold, then yes, it's the same cost. Lost profit opportunity is lost profit is a cost.

But if it means they can increase the # of rockets they build, they might pick up some efficiency gains on the back stretch. I'm pretty sure they're already struggling to keep up with demand, tho.

Re:SpaceX’s Starlink Constellation construction begins by azernik on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @11:37PM (#19679565)
They're getting to the point where they're demand-limited rather than supply-limited - plowing through the backlog quite fast, and the GTO launch market is in a downturn.
Re:SpaceX’s Starlink Constellation construction begins by agildehaus on Wednesday April 17, 2019 @01:28AM (#19679973)
SpaceX keeps rockets other customers "paid" for after they've landed (the customer pays for the flight, not the rocket). They've amassed a fleet they never had to pay a dime to construct.

I believe they have eight block 5 Falcon 9s that landed successfully. More if you count previous generations, but those likely won't be reused.

Re:SpaceX’s Starlink Constellation construction begins by fyfy18 on Wednesday April 17, 2019 @01:37AM (#19680014)
Does the price of a launch completely cover the cost of construction (excluding R&D)?
Re:SpaceX’s Starlink Constellation construction begins by usrusr on Wednesday April 17, 2019 @02:03AM (#19680125)
It does, for the competition, and there is no reason for SpaceX to go much lower as long as they don't build excessive overcapacity that needs to be filled.
Re:SpaceX’s Starlink Constellation construction begins by nickik on Wednesday April 17, 2019 @05:41AM (#19681093)
Yes. They actually improved a lot of rocket construction and that's why they were cheaper then everybody else BEFORE re-usability. Now re-usability they just increase the profit.

Until somebody else challenges their price, they can get huge profit from every launch.

Re:SpaceX’s Starlink Constellation construction begins by deanCommie on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @11:17PM (#19679463)
Not if the opportunity is to be ahead of your rivals to a new market frontier and guarantee a head start
Re:SpaceX’s Starlink Constellation construction begins by TimTheTinker on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @11:37PM (#19679566)
Even then you're trading one opportunity cost for another.
Re:SpaceX’s Starlink Constellation construction begins by growlist on Wednesday April 17, 2019 @04:52AM (#19680871)
So then make the competitor pay for it: each time they launch for a competitor, add a margin equating to the total cost of deploying a Starlink satellite.
Re:SpaceX’s Starlink Constellation construction begins by BurningFrog on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @10:56PM (#19679373)
Of course there is a markup.
Re:SpaceX’s Starlink Constellation construction begins by wetpaws on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @11:24PM (#19679502)
They can build their own rockets
Re:SpaceX’s Starlink Constellation construction begins by pova on Wednesday April 17, 2019 @04:48AM (#19680848)
In 2040 after billions in investments.
Re:SpaceX’s Starlink Constellation construction begins by wetpaws on Wednesday April 17, 2019 @08:11PM (#19687565)
They could create an electronic payment system to raise capital for their rockets.

And before we jump into this rabbit hole, yes, they can totally fund their own payment system with $4K and a small yellow pages startup. :o)

Re:SpaceX’s Starlink Constellation construction begins by gpm on Wednesday April 17, 2019 @11:50AM (#19683627)
SpaceX was launching Falcon 9's 8 years after they were founded.. 2030 should be achievable.
Re:SpaceX’s Starlink Constellation construction begins by dd36 on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @10:39PM (#19679282)
And they can deny service to anyone.
Re:SpaceX’s Starlink Constellation construction begins by penagwin on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @10:46PM (#19679326)
I'm not too sure about this, given the highly limited market options and high regulation of space travel, I'm guessing they'd be hit with anti-trust laws pretty quickly.
Re:SpaceX’s Starlink Constellation construction begins by MertsA on Wednesday April 17, 2019 @12:03AM (#19679660)
Yeah but with the volume we're talking about here, SpaceX is definitely going to be extremely constrained by launch capacity. I doubt they'd be hit with any antitrust lawsuit over not cancelling their own launches in order to take orders from their competitors. In any case, there's no chance that all of those companies are going to be able to launch their constellations in anywhere close to their targeted timeframes. There's just not enough launch capacity in the world to handle that in such a short amount of time.
Re:SpaceX’s Starlink Constellation construction begins by BurningFrog on Wednesday April 17, 2019 @11:31AM (#19683442)
My impression of the Starlink project is that it's at least in part a backup project for unused launch capacity.

That is, if they happen to not find paying customers for all their reusable launch fleet, this is a way for it to not stand around idle.

Under this theory, paying customers will always get precedent over throwing up another 44 satellites.

Re:SpaceX’s Starlink Constellation construction begins by phkahler on Wednesday April 17, 2019 @07:47AM (#19681669)
>> I'm not too sure about this, given the highly limited market options and high regulation of space travel

The government grants monopolies (patent) on very important things (drugs and treatments for all sorts of things) and then lets companies charge different rates to different customers - even higher prices to the uninsured. It seems unlikely they'd make SpaceX launch for a competitor at anywhere near their own cost. But then politics....

Re:SpaceX’s Starlink Constellation construction begins by penagwin on Wednesday April 17, 2019 @12:11PM (#19683843)
They get to launch* their own stuff for only the rocket cost, that part is fine.

I mean if they have Boeing, NASA, etc. as paying customers at a standard $X they can't just go "Well Google you're launching a competitor to us so we're gonna charge you 20 * $X instead to prevent you from launching".

Re:SpaceX’s Starlink Constellation construction begins by shaklee3 on Wednesday April 17, 2019 @12:46AM (#19679826)
And Samsung can stop selling apple screens. But they don't, because they realize they need the revenue for things later on.
Re:SpaceX’s Starlink Constellation construction begins by slim on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @11:44PM (#19679598)
Ans have spacex deploy it's own satellites in the same launch for free
Re:SpaceX’s Starlink Constellation construction begins by apexalpha on Wednesday April 17, 2019 @08:54AM (#19682079)
I think OneWeb is already in bed with

Arianespace: http://www.arianespace.com/client/oneweb/

Re:SpaceX’s Starlink Constellation construction begins by solarkraft on Wednesday April 17, 2019 @09:29AM (#19682328)
Aren't they significantly more expensive?
Re:SpaceX’s Starlink Constellation construction begins by apexalpha on Wednesday April 17, 2019 @10:05AM (#19682650)
Sure but would you want to rely solely on your direct and possibly only competitor?
Re:SpaceX’s Starlink Constellation construction begins by nickik on Wednesday April 17, 2019 @05:39AM (#19681082)
And SpaceX can refuse to sell them. Or they can sell them expensive and that helps financing their own system.
Re:SpaceX’s Starlink Constellation construction begins by unmole on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @10:39PM (#19679280)
And anyone can buy a launch on an ISRO rocket.
Re:SpaceX’s Starlink Constellation construction begins by kirrent on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @11:24PM (#19679503)
Could they? When you're launching such a large constellation the key metric is $/kg. All of ISRO's rockets are at least double as expensive as SpaceX's prices for customers. Plus, they're smaller rockets and it'd remain to be seen if ISRO could produce enough of them to launch an entire constellation.
Re:SpaceX’s Starlink Constellation construction begins by ehsankia on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @11:35PM (#19679550)
Is anyone worried about space pollution and Kessler effect? There's currently around 5000 satellites up there, and each of these companies alone wants to put that much more in space.
Re:SpaceX’s Starlink Constellation construction begins by boardwaalk on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @11:43PM (#19679593)
They're in a very low orbit and would deorbit on failure in 2 weeks to 8 months according to SpaceX:

https://licensing.fcc.gov/myibfs/download.do?attachment_key=...

Re:SpaceX’s Starlink Constellation construction begins by Sabinus on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @11:41PM (#19679585)
They've specifically gone for a low orbit with plenty of atmospheric drag to bring any unresponsive sats or broken pieces down promptly.
Re:SpaceX’s Starlink Constellation construction begins by goshx on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @11:27PM (#19679516)
Blue Origin will probably do the same for Amazon.
Re:SpaceX’s Starlink Constellation construction begins by electriclove on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @11:31PM (#19679534)
Copy cat https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/11157649214829199...

But snark aside, having Bezos (and others) do the same thing is a good thing and will increase launch demand and lower prices and provide competition for satellite internet.

Re:SpaceX’s Starlink Constellation construction begins by Robotbeat on Wednesday April 17, 2019 @12:27AM (#19679743)
This. I'm a big SpaceX fan, primarily because they're at the forefront of advancing human spaceflight through low cost and high capability (driven both by reuse), but Blue Origin is similar in many respects (although soooo sloooow...) and we won't truly become spacefaring with just a single company having a reusable rocket.