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Re:Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data... by black_puppydog on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @10:26AM (#19673869)
If someone from the media is reading along here: it would be nice to mention every now and again that the "grumpy old progress hating nerds" have a pretty good track record at condemning fb/google. This entire branch of news that I would maybe call "dystopia gawking" just provokes a huge "told you so" in parts of the tech community, and that would be a good thing to keep in mind during the next gold rush.
Re:Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data... by AlexandrB on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @10:40AM (#19673995)
I wonder why people were so unwilling to accept Zuckerberg's own sentiment ("dumb fucks") about their data for years. It seems like that's basically the attitude at Facebook from the top down. Everything else is PR spin.
Re:Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data... by icebraining on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @11:38AM (#19674580)
I am not, and have never been, a user of Facebook.

But I have to say, that statement means nothing. Mocking people for their poor choices may be in poor taste, or unfair, but it does not mean one is willing to take advantage of them.

It's all he has done since that reveals that he is actually willing.

Re:Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data... by SquishyPanda23 on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @12:25PM (#19674996)
> but it does not mean one is willing to take advantage of them.

What about the part of the statement that says

ZUCK: yea so if you ever need info about anyone at harvard

ZUCK: just ask

ZUCK: i have over 4000 emails, pictures, addresses, sns

Or the fact that he did use user data in the way he suggested in the quote?

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-mark-zuckerberg-hacked-i...

Re:Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data... by okmokmz on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @12:50PM (#19675215)
>but it does not mean one is willing to take advantage of them

He had already taken advantage of them and collected their data at that point...

Re:Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data... by rhizome on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @08:24PM (#19678564)
Mocking people for their poor choices may be in poor taste, or unfair, but it does not mean one is willing to take advantage of them.

He was mocking the users who had already made the poor choice of letting him take advantage of them.

Re:Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data... by dymk on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @10:45AM (#19674041)
“Dumb fucks” is more overplayed than “Google is going to shut down <service>”. It’s FUD. Zuckerberg said that when his tiny website was open to his classmates and a few others, and hasn’t been representative of how the company functions.

I seriously cant believe that it’s still a meme people use to justify their hate for Facebook.

Re:Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data... by Zelphyr on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @11:06AM (#19674265)
What has Zuckerberg done since it was a tiny website to demonstrate his views have changed? I have yet to see anything. In fact, to my mind he has billions of dollars of revenue that reinforce that view.
Re:Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data... by kevin_thibedeau on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @01:11PM (#19675389)
The whole business model of Facebook is to collect personal data and sell it for profit. It should surprise no one that they are doing that. Furthermore, it shouldn't surprise Americans that there are zero regulations protecting their non-health related data. Free stuff on the internet doesn't run on fairy dust.
Re:Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data... by dwb on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @01:58PM (#19675788)
Something doesn't have to be surprising for people to legitimately protest against it. The existence of Facebook isn't a result of some democratic consensus, it's some dude's get-rich scheme that's happened to have popped off.
Re:Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data... by kevin_thibedeau on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @02:22PM (#19676001)
The consensus was set by electing politicians who don't work for the common good. Facebook is nothing new. Our privacy has been systematically degraded by the data broker industry which has existed since before ARPANET. Congress protects that industry and Facebook reaps those benefits.
Re:Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data... by okmokmz on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @05:45PM (#19677612)
So what exactly is the point you are trying to make? Are you saying that none of us should care about privacy or the actions of Facebook because we've failed to elect appropriate politicians or failed to get the general public to understand what Facebook is doing?

The only way to get people to start thinking about these problems and implementing change is by publicizing stories like this. Seems like a very defeatist and unproductive attitude to just say "this is how it is" and leave it at that as your comments seem to imply

Re:Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data... by AlexandrB on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @10:48AM (#19674078)
> Zuckerberg said that when his tiny website was open to his classmates and a few others, and hasn’t been representative of how the company functions.

How can you claim that in the context of the revelations from this article? Seems like the company functions exactly like we're all "dumb fucks". And why do you think his attitude would change to be more egalitarian as his success and power increased?

Edit: > I seriously cant believe that it’s still a meme people use to justify their hate for Facebook.

It's not a meme. It's the founder and CEO of a company that holds the private data of >2B users telling us exactly how he feels about his users' expectations of privacy. Since then Facebook has only experienced growth and success. What event in Mark Zuckerberg's professional life could have significantly challenged this attitude do you think? It's been all positive feedback loops until recently.

Re:Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data... by renaudg on Wednesday April 17, 2019 @11:44AM (#19683555)
>It's the founder and CEO of a company that holds the private data of >2B users telling us exactly how he feels about his users' expectations of privacy.

No. It's a (literal) teenager thinking aloud, making comments in jest to a friend about his student project becoming viral and getting hundreds of users, to his own amazement. He seems to be noting how little people seem to care for their privacy.

And that's about it. There's much to say against Facebook these days, but it's a preposterous thing to say these comments accurately reflect the current views of their leadership at a completely different scale.

What are you on the record saying when you were 19 ?

Re:Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data... by okmokmz on Monday April 22, 2019 @11:57AM (#19719938)
Ah look, another facebook/ex-facebook employee. Interesting how on this site the only people that consistently defend facebook are people who have or are financially benefiting from it, and yet they never mention this in their comments
Re:Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data... by okmokmz on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @12:51PM (#19675226)
It has been perfectly representative of how the company functions. Collecting and monetizing data from the "dumb fucks" with little to no regard for anything other than profits and getting people addicted to their apps

edit1: Guess I made some facebook engineers upset as I'm being downvoted. Looks like dymk is likely a facebook engineer, as his comment history has lots of comments seemingly supporting facebook, data collection, and ads, or at the very least arguing against those that oppose them. Reframe it however you want, Zuckerberg, Facebook, and its engineers are immoral and not concerned with the privacy or security of anyone's data. The people that knowingly continue to work their are complicit in the net negative impact facebook has on society

edit2: dymk is no longer a software engineer at facebook, but he was until early this year

Re:Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data... by throwsdddddd on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @04:06PM (#19676821)
This is a continuing problem on this platform. Facebook engineers disguising themselves as regular joe defending Facebook, when they have a personal interest. Silently downvoting or flagging comments. This isn’t the first time someone has mentioned this problem. They should be upfront about it and say they are a Facebook engineer and why they disagree.
Re:Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data... by netsharc on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @05:20PM (#19677434)
> Collecting and monetizing data from the "dumb fucks" with little to no regard.

I doubt humans are that simplistic, but at the end of the day, it seems they all have a price, and for that price they can invent lies so they can sleep at night thinking they're decent people.

And until this headline I thought they (and Zuck in particular) still had a code of honor when they say they won't abuse the trust their users had, but, well, apparenly that also has a price.

Re:Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data... by okmokmz on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @05:36PM (#19677552)
Why until this headline? Stories like this about Facebook and Zuck have been coming out for years
Re:Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data... by kerng on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @07:19PM (#19678179)
I don't think its overplayed, rather re-emphasized over the years using business terms instead though.
Re:Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data... by ionised on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @11:12AM (#19674319)
It's still a meme because it is clearly still how Zuckerberg thinks.

His words and actions are those of someone who gives zero fucks about his user base as long as he gets to continue exploiting their private information.

Re:Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data... by rhizome on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @08:30PM (#19678588)
It started as "dumb fucks" and has merely been reworded over the years into longer and longer policy documents and press releases.
Re:Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data... by jlarocco on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @04:52PM (#19677196)
The "dumb fucks" quote is basically Facebook's business model.

"Here's all this data we have about people, pay us money and we'll help you exploit it."

Re:Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data... by renaudg on Wednesday April 17, 2019 @11:32AM (#19683454)
What were you saying when you were 19 ?