Re:The HTML “ping” attribute is disabled in Firefox
by dininski on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @05:40AM
(#19672293)
This clearly shows the different priorities for Google and Mozilla, amid the current feud.
Mozilla is advocating towards a free and open internet, where the web standards are not dictated by the monetization strategies du-jour. Meaning that ads and tracking are not inherent to the internet itself, but serve a more corporate interest.
This is where Google comes in. It feels more like they consider the internet more of a platform for business growth and are no longer that unbiased.
As an example - I wouldn't be surprised if at some point they start pushing for adding product metadata to the HTML spec, say a <product> tag. This would essentially change some of the semantics of the standard. Maybe a more generalized version of this: https://developers.google.com/search/docs/data-types/product
Re:The HTML “ping” attribute is disabled in Firefox
by adontz on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @02:20AM
(#19671529)
I really cannot get why reverting to JavaScript is better. I believe Mozilla people are professional and know what they do, but some explanation would be welcome.
Re:The HTML “ping” attribute is disabled in Firefox
by comex on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @02:50AM
(#19671641)
Speak for yourself. In my opinion, the ability to count how many people click on which search results, and rank results higher if they get a lot of clicks (excluding cases where the user then pressed back and picked another result), seems like a good way to boost result quality without having much impact on privacy.
Full disclosure – I also allow Google to track my search history for personalization, but I think there are many good reasons to dislike that, I understand why people turn it off, and while I don't, I'd prefer a personalization method that doesn't require such granular data.
Re:The HTML “ping” attribute is disabled in Firefox
by anoncake on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @04:15AM
(#19671978)
This kind of tracking might be worth it, given informed consent by the user. If the user does not consent, it is spying. Especially if you have to bypass intentional privacy protections, in this case the disabling of the ping feature.
Re:The HTML “ping” attribute is disabled in Firefox
by mcv on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @03:48AM
(#19671861)
Or Firefox will end up with a worse UX than before. I'm pretty sure the spying sites offer the cumbersome solution only to browsers that have ping disabled.
What you need is a browser that claims to honour ping but doesn't.
Re:The HTML “ping” attribute is disabled in Firefox
by howiroll on Tuesday April 16, 2019 @01:00AM
(#19671248)
Ugh. With datalist values (Which hasn’t been fixed for 6 years) and another breakage of web standard by firefox I’ve seen, in a week. Can’t believe firefox actually insulted Internet Explorer for rigging standards.
What’s the point of disabling it when you can mimic the feature with javascript?
Mozilla is advocating towards a free and open internet, where the web standards are not dictated by the monetization strategies du-jour. Meaning that ads and tracking are not inherent to the internet itself, but serve a more corporate interest.
This is where Google comes in. It feels more like they consider the internet more of a platform for business growth and are no longer that unbiased.
As an example - I wouldn't be surprised if at some point they start pushing for adding product metadata to the HTML spec, say a <product> tag. This would essentially change some of the semantics of the standard. Maybe a more generalized version of this: https://developers.google.com/search/docs/data-types/product
Just my 2¢.
Full disclosure – I also allow Google to track my search history for personalization, but I think there are many good reasons to dislike that, I understand why people turn it off, and while I don't, I'd prefer a personalization method that doesn't require such granular data.
What you need is a browser that claims to honour ping but doesn't.
What’s the point of disabling it when you can mimic the feature with javascript?