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Re:Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris by sk5t on Monday April 15, 2019 @02:29PM (#19667592)
A reasonable person might think that it did occur to emergency fire services to respond quickly, particularly in a nation and city with a great history in the field.
Re:Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris by cma on Monday April 15, 2019 @03:30PM (#19668142)
A reasonable person might also think that the man put in charge of the largest nuclear stockpile in the world, that could literally end the world, would have already considered that and knew air tankers were the most viable option, so long as they acted fast after his communication.
Re:Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris by sctb on Monday April 15, 2019 @04:30PM (#19668636)
You're trolling here whether you intend to or not. Please try to comment more substantively.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris by JshWright on Monday April 15, 2019 @03:45PM (#19668263)
Personally I don't see how anyone could possibly come to any other conclusion...
Re:Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris by civilitty on Monday April 15, 2019 @03:53PM (#19668346)
A reasonable person would not think that.

“Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you’re a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are — nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.”

-Donald J Trump

Re:Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris by jcranmer on Monday April 15, 2019 @03:12PM (#19668014)
According to a response paraphrased from Le Monde, the problem is that the water pressure by an aerial tanker could well destroy what is trying to be saved.
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Re:Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris by tsimionescu on Monday April 15, 2019 @03:43PM (#19668245)
Wait, you're actually serious? This is the man who tweeted 'covfefe' you're talking about...
Re:Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris by ceejayoz on Monday April 15, 2019 @03:42PM (#19668242)
My Poe's Law sense is tingling, but I honestly can't tell these days.
Re:Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris by gbear605 on Monday April 15, 2019 @03:36PM (#19668195)
I think it’s pretty clear that no one other than Trump vets his Twitter account.
Re:Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris by JshWright on Monday April 15, 2019 @02:22PM (#19667526)
Flying water tankers are a terrible idea in urban environments.
Re:Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris by StavrosK on Monday April 15, 2019 @03:06PM (#19667970)
Oh don't mind that, the president is just yelling at the TV again.
Re:Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris by giarc on Monday April 15, 2019 @02:23PM (#19667533)
The person was quoting Trump. He tweeted that this morning.
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Re:Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris by JshWright on Monday April 15, 2019 @02:33PM (#19667638)
If you start using tankers, you have to evacuate everyone from the area (in a larger area than their current evacuation cordon). It would mean all other on-site firefighting operations would have to stop.

Using aerial tankers would be unsafe (flying planes are very low altitudes through a city), and would result in a net reduction in firefighting efforts on scene.

Re:Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris by wongarsu on Monday April 15, 2019 @02:31PM (#19667617)
Fire retardant might work, but is likely not readily on hand in an urban environment (and is really meant to prevent spread of fire, not to put a fire out).

Dumping actual water would be a bad idea both for the people and the structure, simply because dumping heavy things from high places is generally dangerous.

Re:Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris by plazmaphyujin on Monday April 15, 2019 @04:25PM (#19668605)
Yes. Potentially far, far worse. And people have absolutely died from using fire retardant delivered from air tankers.

These planes have to fly extremely close to the ground to deliver their payload (which is spread over an area far too large to be effective in this case anyway btw) and too often the plane can lose control, whether from sudden unweighting or the turbulence from the fire and crash. This can kill everyone on board and usually starts a new fire to boot.

Re:Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris by ceejayoz on Monday April 15, 2019 @02:53PM (#19667837)
Tankers are great at dropping water and fire retardant on trees, brush, and small structures.

Dropping tons of water on Notre Dame's roof would likely just expedite the collapse.

Re:Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris by 7952 on Monday April 15, 2019 @04:37PM (#19668695)
Donald trump just picks an idea that will sound like "common sense" to a lot of people. It makes sense in a simplistic kind of way, but is fundamentally flawed. But people get to feel angry that their ideas are not being taken seriously. And that the world is being ruined by stupid liberals who won't do the obvious thing. As if a fire chief in Paris has a duty to try out bad ideas just to protect the feelings of a random Twitter handle and his followers.
Re:Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris by bunderbunder on Monday April 15, 2019 @03:22PM (#19668081)
I predict that, before we see the end of this decade, Poe's Law will have been renamed in honor of its most prodigious patron.
Re:Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris by dboreham on Monday April 15, 2019 @03:21PM (#19668070)
Your irony might have been a little too subtle.
Re:Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris by mongol on Monday April 15, 2019 @02:48PM (#19667777)
Non-native speaker here. Is there even something called that? (Yes I know it is a quote)
Re:Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris by cptskippy on Monday April 15, 2019 @03:13PM (#19668018)
Airtankers, waterbombers, and air attack are all common terms used to refer to aerial firefighting. I can't imagine this is something unique to North America but both the United States and Canada employ planes and helicopters to drop water and fire retardants on forest fires in remote areas where conventional firefighting equipment cannot reach.

We also have a form of firefighter called a Smoke Jumper that's the equivalent of a Paratrooper for fighting fires. They're deployed in these remote areas to clear out areas ahead of fires to constrict or redirect fires.

Re:Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris by cgh on Monday April 15, 2019 @03:02PM (#19667927)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadair_CL-415

Widely used in Canadian firefighting, mainly forest fires. These fires are huge, covering 1,351,314 hectares in BC alone in 2018[0].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_British_Columbia_wildfire...

Re:Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris by ceejayoz on Monday April 15, 2019 @03:43PM (#19668249)
If you want to go really big, here's a 747 one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/747_Supertanker

Re:Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris by itronitron on Monday April 15, 2019 @03:07PM (#19667976)
They are generally called air tankers and are typically used on forest fires and brush fires.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerial_firefighting

Re:Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris by dkural on Monday April 15, 2019 @03:19PM (#19668047)
I quote, our President's tweet:

""Truly weird Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky reminds me of a spoiled brat without a properly functioning brain. He was terrible at DEBATE!"" & another:

"".@FrankLuntz is a low class slob who came to my office looking for consulting work and I had zero interest. Now he picks anti-Trump panels!"" - who do you think vetted these? Which professionals?

The obvious and sad truth is; Trump watches TV, and randomly reacts real time on twitter with his own words. You can figure out what he is working (and NOT working on) by simply looking at what TV shows, channels, and people-on-TV he refers to as he continues to tweet throughout the day.

Re:Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris by Godel_unicode on Monday April 15, 2019 @02:32PM (#19667623)
For those missing the context, this is a direct quote from Trump's Twitter account.
Re:Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris by SketchySeaBeast on Monday April 15, 2019 @02:45PM (#19667752)
Didn't know that, didn't need to know that. Was happy not to know that. Now I know that and am sad.
Re:Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris by jashephe on Monday April 15, 2019 @02:23PM (#19667537)
Re:Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris by munk-a on Monday April 15, 2019 @02:34PM (#19667641)
Especially at times like these... he's such an embarrassment _sigh_
Re:Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris by jeffrallen on Monday April 15, 2019 @03:11PM (#19668010)
Why not "all the time"?
Re:Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris by civilitty on Monday April 15, 2019 @03:54PM (#19668351)
Because sometimes we get some sleep and forget about the nightmare.
Re:Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris by pastor_elm on Monday April 15, 2019 @02:24PM (#19667539)
a couple at Charles de Gaulle on standby could have been there in minutes