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Re:MIT Researcher Exposing Bias in Facial Recognition Tech T... by Mirioron on Monday April 15, 2019 @01:14AM (#19663239)
Can you explain how you, as a human being, understand handwriting? Can you explain it in detail without handwaving some stuff away as "now I detect the pattern"? Because I'm pretty sure you can't, but you use it for basically everything in life. So, should a person's eyes not be trusted when it comes to "something important"?
Re:MIT Researcher Exposing Bias in Facial Recognition Tech T... by rizzin on Monday April 15, 2019 @02:33AM (#19663511)
>So, should a person's eyes not be trusted when it comes to "something important"?

A documentary called "Murder on a Sunday Morning": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFLbptkb1eM

A woman was murdered in front of her husband. The man saw the attacker up close and was the only eyewitness.

He accused a completely innocent man, and it took half a year of jail and court-related turmoils for this to get cleared up.

Re:MIT Researcher Exposing Bias in Facial Recognition Tech T... by colllectorof on Monday April 15, 2019 @03:41AM (#19663774)
>Can you explain how you, as a human being, understand handwriting?

We explain how to understand handwriting to every single child that goes to school. It's not the answer you want, but it's the answer that actually matters here.

Trying to equivocate AI and human cognition in this way is completely disingenuous.

Human reasoning is not 100% reliable, but we know very well in which ways it's unreliable and how to deal with it. We have shared biology and millennia of experience trying to empathize and communicate with others.

Re:MIT Researcher Exposing Bias in Facial Recognition Tech T... by discobot on Monday April 15, 2019 @04:41AM (#19663978)
We do not explain how to read handwriting, we teach by example - and that is exactly how ML works.

And your last point is wrong. ML models are studied and understood much better than human reasoning.

Re:MIT Researcher Exposing Bias in Facial Recognition Tech T... by colllectorof on Monday April 15, 2019 @08:43PM (#19670135)
>We do not explain how to read handwriting, we teach by example - and that is exactly how ML works.

Teaching children to read is an interactive process that has pretty much nothing in common with data steamrolling in modern machine learning.

>And your last point is wrong. ML models are studied and understood much better than human reasoning.

Is that why new ANN architectures are almost universally constructed by trial and error?

Re:MIT Researcher Exposing Bias in Facial Recognition Tech T... by dariusj18 on Monday April 15, 2019 @02:16PM (#19667467)
But if you were to present handwriting as evidence in court, if the veracity of the evidence were in question, you would need to present an expert whose job it is to explain the methodology behind the analysis.
Re:MIT Researcher Exposing Bias in Facial Recognition Tech T... by afthonos on Monday April 15, 2019 @01:35AM (#19663303)
Given that eyewitness testimony is consistently unreliable, biased, and internally inconsistent, no, they shouldn’t. Human judgement is the best we can do so far, but it is hardly a worthwhile goal, especially with systems that take us from affecting individuals on a person-to-person level to influencing the interactions of millions of people with their government.

Algorithms can be explainable, and I agree that anything that affects your standing in the eyes of government should have that as a minimum requirement.

Re:MIT Researcher Exposing Bias in Facial Recognition Tech T... by sgt101 on Monday April 15, 2019 @04:05AM (#19663850)
The best work on this was done by Brendan Lake and Josh Tannenbaum. https://www.sas.upenn.edu/~astocker/lab/teaching-files/PSYC7...

There's a recent review that they published.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1902.03477.pdf

Re:MIT Researcher Exposing Bias in Facial Recognition Tech T... by honzzz on Monday April 15, 2019 @03:17AM (#19663681)
> Can you explain how you, as a human being, understand handwriting?

I do not want to speak for the parent but I think you might be on a different level of abstraction when talking about "explaining" things. Consider this for example: someone writes a letter to your boss that you should be fired. That someone does not need to explain the process of writing but probably should be required to explain why you should be fired.