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Re:Coinbase Debit Card by chrisco255 on Friday April 12, 2019 @03:49AM (#19642876)
Well stocks can't be sold in tiny tiny fractions. If you have 5 shares of Amazon and 6 shares of Apple...which stock does your debit card provider sell to cover your latte? Also stock markets don't operate 24/7, crypto does.

Gold is hard to sell in tiny fractions as well.

Re:Coinbase Debit Card by patio11 on Friday April 12, 2019 @05:07AM (#19643264)
Well stocks can't be sold in tiny tiny fractions.

n.b. Not true; a lot of retail brokerages are happy to deal in fractional shares. A common use case is implementing dividend reinvestment, where you might have the 10 shares you own issue a dividend entitling you to .005 shares; many retail brokerages can trivially support this.

The "How?" is potentially interesting: over the entirety of a broker's book of business, there are a lot of holders of e.g. SPY, so the broker (or their internalizer) just buys (pick a number) 713 shares, assigns fractions correctly, and keeps a tiny bit of the last share on their own account. This comes out in the wash, because retail customers are extremely lucrative to service at scale, and having to be ~$100k long various publicly traded equities to keep the tollbooth running is cheap at the price.

Re:Coinbase Debit Card by simias on Friday April 12, 2019 @05:44AM (#19643419)
Beyond the point made by siblings comments about selling fractions of stocks I also want to point out that selling small amount of bitcoins or ethereum on-chain is also prohibitively expensive. I'm sure those debit card transactions won't be directly settled on the actual cryptocurrency, they'll just keep a balance internally and make big transactions on the blockchain if they need to balance their accounts. You know, like a bank.
Re:Coinbase Debit Card by chrisco255 on Friday April 12, 2019 @03:05PM (#19647984)
ETH transactions avg like 10 cents: https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/ethereum-transactionfee

But also, Coinbase owns an exchange, so they don't have to commit every transaction to the blockchain, so it's peanuts for them.

Re:Coinbase Debit Card by simias on Friday April 12, 2019 @03:36PM (#19648263)
> ETH transactions avg like 10 cents: https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/ethereum-transactionfee

That's still significant for small transactions. Beyond that, will it scale well enough to cost only 10 cents if it becomes the new Visa/Mastercard? The transaction rate of BTC/ETH is still almost negligible when compared to mainstream payment processors.

>Coinbase owns an exchange, so they don't have to commit every transaction to the blockchain, so it's peanuts for them.

My point exactly. It's not a Bitcoin card, it's a Coinbase card, the cryptocurrency aspect is tangential. This is not cryptocurrency going mainstream, it's the mainstream taking over cryptocurrency because it's just so much more convenient to have a Visa card than a Bitcoin or Eth wallet.

Re:Coinbase Debit Card by chrisco255 on Saturday April 13, 2019 @12:35AM (#19651143)
At 10 cents it is cheaper than debit card transactions. And credit card processors charge 2-3% on average for transactions... maybe as low as 1.5%.

Visa is more convenient today but it took decades for Visa to get to the scale and scope and convenience it has today. If people start parking more money in crypto and using crypto credit cards it's only a matter of time before merchants start accepting direct payment from coinbase wallets. At that point, Coinbase can bypass Visa and charge a fraction of the fee for facilitating the trade from USD to BTC.

Re:Coinbase Debit Card by londons_explore on Friday April 12, 2019 @04:31AM (#19643069)
Presumably the card provider would aggregate everyone's latte purchases together at the end of the day and make a single transaction on behalf of all their users.

The provider could either eat the change in price over the day, or pass it back to the user by first presenting an estimated amount and then a final amount when the transaction is completed when the market next opens.

Re:Coinbase Debit Card by richardknop on Friday April 12, 2019 @06:17AM (#19643542)
Well, presumably this would be configurable in the mobile app / UI so users can choose how to (order etc) liquidate their holdings in order to fund the card.

Obviously there could be some sane defaults. By default aggregate all card spending against user's margin account, every day/week/month sell the cheapest stock which covers outstanding balance (so if you spent $150, it would first sell 1 share of Apple, it wouldn't start selling Amazon until you run out of Apple shares).

Re:Coinbase Debit Card by tybit on Friday April 12, 2019 @04:24AM (#19643034)
It’s not like companies can’t come up with financial instruments to get around this.

I’d assume they don’t see a market, more than they don’t see a practical way to make it work.

Re:Coinbase Debit Card by SifJar on Friday April 12, 2019 @04:17AM (#19642997)
> If you have 5 shares of Amazon and 6 shares of Apple...which stock does your debit card provider sell to cover your latte?

Presumably this would work the same way Coinbase will choose whether to sell some of your bitcoin or some of your ethereum (i.e. you choose)

Re:Coinbase Debit Card by magnamerc on Friday April 12, 2019 @08:51AM (#19644302)
You can sell fractions of 'shares' using futures products built using decentralized finance dapps.