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Re:Marissa Mayer on career growth and how a revenue guarante... by dopamean on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @05:29PM (#19619126)
lol. Yahoo was killing it before she showed up?
Re:Marissa Mayer on career growth and how a revenue guarante... by nintendo95 on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @07:43PM (#19620167)
She isn't that good at all and never have been. WSJ and Barron's complained about her for the longest time possible now.. There are very critical articles of her in serious business press and magazines. Sexism is bad. But granting free pass to every bad CEO when she is a woman just because of her sex isn't smart. These people are CEOs, getting paid millions, destroying businesses and sometimes lives. It is important to keep them to the same scrutiny regardless of their sex.

Firing bottom performers every quarter. Banning remote work. Spending $7m on fashion show she attended with friends.

If this was a man he would have basically no right to criticize any other business especially successful one like Google. She looks absolutely ridicilous in this position. It's like F-grade student giving lectures to straight A's student. Do these people have shame at all?

And examples like this, or even worse like infamous Elizabeth Holmes of Theranos, should remind us that we shouldn't give free pass to CEOs just because they are women. CEOs have the highest rate of sociopaths, no matter the gender.

Re:Marissa Mayer on career growth and how a revenue guarante... by subjectHarold on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @06:11PM (#19619499)
She pissed off most of the staff. She introduced a weird iteration of "fire the bottom performers every year". She bailed out Dan Loeb (who had hired her but changed his mind after she refused to do almost anything she promised). She didn't get a particularly good price in the eventual sale. She got paid hundreds of millions for nothing (her pay alone was ~5% of the eventual sale price...one person). Terrible acquisitions. Terrible hires. She also appears to have rubbed almost everyone she met up the wrong way (I know people who met her and got a bad impression, imo she came across very poorly to investors and was preoccupied with perception/spin...I believe she gave an interview a few years ago in which she even blamed Carl Ichan...truly odd).

Most people are, I think, quite forgiving when it comes to failing in these situations. The issue often is that some people, most in my experience, have no idea how to behave when things go wrong (and, given enough time, something will always go wrong).

Re:Marissa Mayer on career growth and how a revenue guarante... by brohee on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @08:31PM (#19620507)
The moment she read from a children book in a all hands meeting (https://www.businessinsider.fr/us/marissa-mayer-childrens-bo...) would have had me quitting on the spot. I can't think of many things more disrespectful.
Re:Marissa Mayer on career growth and how a revenue guarante... by onlyrealcuzzo on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @07:58PM (#19620280)
From everything I know about Marisa Meyer's tenure at Yahoo!, it seems like she was truly terrible. What I'm curious about, though: what was her tenure like at Google? How did she move up so fast and get such a high profile job so quickly?
Re:Marissa Mayer on career growth and how a revenue guarante... by pm90 on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @10:35PM (#19621293)
> In Silicon Valley, it is widely known that Mr. Page had dated Marissa Mayer, one of the company’s first engineers who later became chief executive of Yahoo.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/25/technology/google-sexual-...

Re:Marissa Mayer on career growth and how a revenue guarante... by empath75 on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @06:00PM (#19619402)
Yahoo was already dying when she joined. Fundamentally the ‘portal’ model was already doomed and there was little she could do to fix it other than buy a social network like tumblr.

Yahoo and aol both had levels of technical debt that are hard to imagine from outside of the company.

Re:Marissa Mayer on career growth and how a revenue guarante... by johntiger1 on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @07:16PM (#19619979)
OK, then why didn't Yahoo just hire me to run the company? Same outcome but my salary would have been MUCH lower :)

In all seriousness, just because Yahoo was in a downspin doesn't mean that leadership can't save the company. Look at John Chen and Blackberry

Re:Marissa Mayer on career growth and how a revenue guarante... by pilsetnieks on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @07:45PM (#19620187)
Or they needed someone with experience to do a controlled descent with minimum casualties instead of a fiery crash.
Re:Marissa Mayer on career growth and how a revenue guarante... by kelnos on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @08:25PM (#19620463)
How was Marissa Mayer that person, though?
Re:Marissa Mayer on career growth and how a revenue guarante... by pilsetnieks on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @09:36PM (#19620925)
I'm guessing better than GP anyway. Or call it a smokescreen if you will, distracting people by making loud decisions while the board got ready for winding down everything. I mean I'm guessing - we'll never know for sure unless someone from Yahoo's leadership comes forward and lays it all out.
Re:Marissa Mayer on career growth and how a revenue guarante... by Phlarp on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @09:43PM (#19620965)
Likely an understanding that she would unwind the company gracefully without touching the shiney glass case full of $BABA and a trust that should would execute that understanding faithfully.
Re:Marissa Mayer on career growth and how a revenue guarante... by carlivar on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @02:23AM (#19622317)
Ehh, Yahoo had to gamble big on Marissa. They lost I guess, but it was the correct decision at the time. I think people are forgetting the terrible CEOs prior to that, and the horrible decision not to sell to Microsoft.

Remember the Obama style "Hope" posters with her face on them?

Re:Marissa Mayer on career growth and how a revenue guarante... by duxup on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @06:10PM (#19619486)
>Yahoo was already dying when she joined.

She joined it.... that is something she decided to do.

Re:Marissa Mayer on career growth and how a revenue guarante... by macspoofing on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @05:26PM (#19619091)
Tumblr wasn't a bad acquisition. I would also challenge that she ruined Yahoo. Yahoo was already on a downward trajectory with an existential identity crisis. At worst, she couldn't change the direction.
Re:Marissa Mayer on career growth and how a revenue guarante... by hnzix on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @05:55PM (#19619353)
I wonder what Yahoo would look like now if Jerry had accepted the Microsoft acquisition. Yahoo was already in troubled waters at the time, in hindsight it looks like a missed opportunity.
Re:Marissa Mayer on career growth and how a revenue guarante... by cududa on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @06:01PM (#19619408)
Probably completely non-existent and shut down. Both Ballmer and Gates have commented that it would’ve been a monumental mistake
Re:Marissa Mayer on career growth and how a revenue guarante... by hangonhn on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @06:22PM (#19619570)
But that's part of doing business. The shareholders and employees (many of whom are also shareholders) might be in a lot better shape had the deal gone through. I'm skeptical that those people are better off with the Verizon deal.
Re:Marissa Mayer on career growth and how a revenue guarante... by duxup on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @06:10PM (#19619491)
Microsoft got some search tech out of them later.... that's all that would be left I imagine.
Re:Marissa Mayer on career growth and how a revenue guarante... by treis on Wednesday April 10, 2019 @09:20AM (#19624341)
>Tumblr wasn't a bad acquisition.

I would like to see your justification for this. Because Yahoo paid 1.1 billion dollars for it and they wrote down pretty much all of the value within a few years. It looks especially bad when compared with Facebook buying Instagram around the same time for about the same price.

Re:Marissa Mayer on career growth and how a revenue guarante... by macspoofing on Saturday April 13, 2019 @11:30PM (#19657436)
You seem like you're more aware of the outcomes of the purchase so I will acquiesce to you, but $1 billion for Tumblr doesn't strike me as particularly egregious. Maybe that's because culturally Tumblr punches above its weight? I don't know.
Re:Marissa Mayer on career growth and how a revenue guarante... by devoply on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @05:28PM (#19619114)
According to some conspiracy theorists her job was to destroy Yahoo! She did that well. I don't know if it's true or not, but they sure sound convincing.
Re:Marissa Mayer on career growth and how a revenue guarante... by zapzupnz on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @05:34PM (#19619167)
They seemed to be more than capable of that prior to Mayer turning up.
Re:Marissa Mayer on career growth and how a revenue guarante... by kaikai on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @05:51PM (#19619320)
Check out the term "glass cliff," if you want an explanation of why some folks perceive her as a failure despite her successes.
Re:Marissa Mayer on career growth and how a revenue guarante... by malvosenior on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @06:08PM (#19619469)
Folks probably perceive that because she was a high profile CEO that ran her company into the ground. Yes Yahoo! was not doing great before her but if you get paid tens of millions of dollars to do a job I would say it’s not unfair to be judged unsuccessful when you fail. She’s still rich after all. Do we also need to unquestionably agree she is excellent?

Also she killed remote work at Yahoo! and practiced great hypocrisy by simultaneously building a private daycare for her kids next to her office.

She is no hero and it’s ok to point that out.

Re:Marissa Mayer on career growth and how a revenue guarante... by rhizome on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @08:22PM (#19620442)
if you get paid tens of millions of dollars to do a job

What do you know about her job description?

Re:Marissa Mayer on career growth and how a revenue guarante... by ProAm on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @06:47PM (#19619740)
> despite her successes

Only going by what I've read she was never extremely successful at Google, only hired early and managed to stay, but never incredibly impactful. Honest question because I likely only know half the story what are her real successes at Google?

Re:Marissa Mayer on career growth and how a revenue guarante... by compiler-guy on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @07:06PM (#19619888)
She was very successful at Google. Her taste drove much of Google's early design aesthetic. Why is the landing page mostly blank? In large part because Marissa insisted.

"There will be no banner ads on the Google homepage or web search results pages. There will not be crazy, flashy, graphical doodads flying and popping up all over the Google site. Ever."

She said that in 2005. And a clean design was quite revolutionary at the time--yahoo and all the other internet portals were cluttered and sticky.

She isn't solely responsible for this aesthetic of course, but it really was her driving much of the theory.

See also, eg, https://daringfireball.net/2008/03/kahney_jackass (the original citation has fallen off the net, unfortunately) where Marissa is cited as being the driving force behind most product look and feel.

Re:Marissa Mayer on career growth and how a revenue guarante... by puzzle on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @08:01PM (#19620299)
I remember Larry saying that in reality for a long time the homepage was spare because Sergey's HTML sucked (or vice versa).

I worked on a project that fell under her umbrella. I have seen up close some of the things she gets blamed for. She was demanding, a workaholic and stubborn in some of her choices. E.g. there was this one change that she —through her PM— insisted on, without any knobs, even if we pretty much knew that a vocal minority were going to be unhappy.

On the other hand, she did pick good people to lead the project, even if I wasn't enthusiastic about every single decision taken by her or them. Because she worked so much, it was easy to get feedback from her, too. :-) I also appreciated that she gave props to our team at a public event when we least expected it.

Overall, she wasn't a perfect leader, but she wasn't as bad or just lucky as some claim.

Re:Marissa Mayer on career growth and how a revenue guarante... by vit05 on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @07:23PM (#19620021)
https://googleblog.blogspot.com/2005/12/about-aol-announceme...

She said that after the announcement of a partnership with AOL. But I believe it to be very, very unlikely that she was the main force to avoid this change. Since it was a characteristic that had come from the creation of the site. But maybe make the other products have a similarity. Or rather, always remember the central page of google was her responsibility.

Re:Marissa Mayer on career growth and how a revenue guarante... by charlesdm on Tuesday April 09, 2019 @06:24PM (#19619578)
Let's just call a spade a spade. She was put in place by activist investors who wanted to make a quick buck on the significant Alibaba stake that was held by Yahoo. The goal was never to save Yahoo.

Said activists made a good return and sold their stake, and Mayer pretty much ran the company in the ground while being compensated well for it. Nothing wrong with that in a capitalist world, however, that's all it is.

Anyone with half a brain could have done that, myself included.