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Re:Apple’s $9 engineering marvel no one wants (2017) by stephenr on Monday April 08, 2019 @12:05PM (#19606447)
> Some may argue that the home button is a moving part and can fail but personally I've never had any issue with them.

Asia wishes to disagree with you.

There are literally millions of people here who turn on AssistiveTouch on a brand new phone for no other reason than to not use the physical home button because they believe it will wear out/break.

Re:Apple’s $9 engineering marvel no one wants (2017) by Nextgrid on Monday April 08, 2019 @12:11PM (#19606492)
> they believe it will wear out/break

But does it actually? Because if it's just a belief, nothing prevents the same belief from occurring with the 3D Touch home button. I guess it's going to be a feedback loop because obviously there wouldn't be reports of failures if nobody uses the physical button, but assuming normal usage, does the button fail frequently enough to be a concern? I think the west is a clear proof that this is not the case (unless something in Asia is breaking the buttons - climate maybe?).

Re:Apple’s $9 engineering marvel no one wants (2017) by eridius on Monday April 08, 2019 @01:59PM (#19607513)
It does, actually, AIUI the home button was the #1 driver of AppleCare incidents for non-accidental damage. It had the highest failure rate of any component on the phone.
Re:Apple’s $9 engineering marvel no one wants (2017) by mixmastamyk on Monday April 08, 2019 @12:56PM (#19606923)
Button working fine on my 6s, older 5 my wife used worked fine as well. The 5 was finally replaced when the battery expanded. Anecdotal evidence says they are dependable.
Re:Apple’s $9 engineering marvel no one wants (2017) by iainmerrick on Monday April 08, 2019 @12:13PM (#19606512)
That’s a mass hysteria over nothing. Unfortunately it’s impossible to fix.
Re:Apple’s $9 engineering marvel no one wants (2017) by stephenr on Monday April 08, 2019 @12:17PM (#19606544)
The home button on my 5S failed (followed by the screen). So it’s not nothing. It may be an exaggerated fear but it’s clearly based on some failures, otherwise they wouldn’t use the phone at all, in case the screen “breaks”
Re:Apple’s $9 engineering marvel no one wants (2017) by Nextgrid on Monday April 08, 2019 @12:19PM (#19606571)
I guess the difference between the screen and the button is that the screen is mandatory for using the phone, while the button is optional.

Also I'm sure those people wouldn't actually use the phone at all if they had an equivalent way to achieve the same tasks that doesn't involve risking breaking a phone.

Finally let's put it that way - if you use AssistiveTouch right away you lose the home button. If it breaks after X months/years of use you also lose the home button. Wouldn't it still be better to get value out of the button while it's still working rather than falling back to AT right away?

Re:Apple’s $9 engineering marvel no one wants (2017) by stephenr on Monday April 08, 2019 @09:15PM (#19610770)
I didn’t say I agree with their usage patterns, just explaining that they have them (I’m not Asian but live here)

It may be a cost/value issue. Better to protect a perceived fragile part so it’s not damaged when they want to sell it for a newer model.

Re:Apple’s $9 engineering marvel no one wants (2017) by mikestew on Monday April 08, 2019 @12:15PM (#19606533)
Asia wishes to disagree with you.

Yes, that was parent's "some may argue..." part. That doesn't mean Asia are right. Some in that same part of the world would argue that running a fan can kill me, so something something urban legends.

Re:Apple’s $9 engineering marvel no one wants (2017) by masukomi on Monday April 08, 2019 @12:19PM (#19606570)
yeah, that's been written about before. It's a false belief based on info that's not applicable to current devices. It is just baseless superstition at this point. Unfortunately, everyone believes it and makes their lives far worse with that stupid assistive touch thing when they don't need to.