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Re:Facebook are 'morally bankrupt liars' says New Zealand's ... by djsumdog on Sunday April 07, 2019 @11:26PM (#19601720)
and why the focus of Facebook? This could have happened to Twitch.tv or a self-hosted platform (and who do you go after then? Vultr? Amazon? DigitalOcean?)

Live streams are a game changer in helping people get out content. If you try to force more providers to vet material, it breaks down the massive availability. Sure it might foster a growth in self-hosted solutions like PeerTube, and help increase more tooling for discovery and reach; but there still aren't any really decent self-hosted streaming solutions. It's a hard problem space. U-Stream was in that market, before it was sold to IBM.

I lived NZ for several years and I find the current moral panic feels very reactionary. It's finding fear in everything; not unlike how schools locked down after Columbine with lots of security theater (more locked doors; made it harder for the smokers to hide--for better and for worse).

Many people I know there are totally willing to defend not having free speech, which made me truly realize how much it's baked into the psyche of the American identity.

Re:Facebook are 'morally bankrupt liars' says New Zealand's ... by xupybd on Sunday April 07, 2019 @11:28PM (#19601727)
Yeah we are looking at introducing hate speech laws after the attack. https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2019/04/08/524142/what-will-happe...

Many people here don't value free speech even a little bit. I fear where this will lead us.

Re:Facebook are 'morally bankrupt liars' says New Zealand's ... by shard972 on Monday April 08, 2019 @01:15AM (#19602338)
Don't value? They have been begging for free speech to be utterly decimated and cry foul if you even suggest that maybe they shouldn't lockup a teenager over sharing the video.

They just want to "teach people lessons", it's quite sad really.

Re:Facebook are 'morally bankrupt liars' says New Zealand's ... by xupybd on Sunday April 07, 2019 @11:40PM (#19601809)
To show how bad it is here. Our Civil Liberties society doesn't fight for free speech https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2019/03/there-sho...
Re:Facebook are 'morally bankrupt liars' says New Zealand's ... by m0zg on Monday April 08, 2019 @12:52AM (#19602232)
Seems like a nation well on its way to becoming a "bad" historical example in a 100 years or less.
Re:Facebook are 'morally bankrupt liars' says New Zealand's ... by mr_toad on Monday April 08, 2019 @12:32AM (#19602111)
I wonder if they’ll ban the Old Testament. There’s still some fairly hateful passages in there.
Re:Facebook are 'morally bankrupt liars' says New Zealand's ... by claudiawerner on Monday April 08, 2019 @05:02PM (#19609004)
Why is free speech a good in itself, as opposed to other forms of action which are not good in themselves? Why is a law against hate speech objectionable?
Re:Facebook are 'morally bankrupt liars' says New Zealand's ... by vermilingua on Sunday April 07, 2019 @11:31PM (#19601761)
I don’t know if I agree that this could have happened on any platform. Facebook’s core functionality is sharing; unlike twitch.tv, and self hosted services which by their nature have terrible discovery.

Only on Facebook could this have spread like it did.