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Re:Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists t... by romwell on Friday April 05, 2019 @06:36PM (#19587679)
>When the federal government comes asking for your help, I think it's pretty normal for people to provide that help.

I can come to any bank, and politely ask them to help me out a bit by giving me some money. That's not an illegal (or wrong) thing to do.

Now if the bank does help me out by emptying out their customer's storage cells, someone's going into jail for that.

See, it's fine to help out. It's not OK to do so at someone else's expense. In this case, Motel 6 gave away something that's not theirs to give away, according to the law (namely: their customers' data).

Motel 6 did not break the law by helping out the feds. It broke the law by harming their customers (sharing their customer's data).

In the end, it's normal to ask for help. It's also pretty normal to politely decline to provide it.

Title nitpick: Motel 6 illegally gave away this information. They broke the state law, were sued for that, and lost $12M (and made further commitments on top of that). Why NPR chose to soften it to "improperly" is beyond me; the attorney general quoted in the article uses "illegally" in the same sentence.

Re:Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists t... by waffleguy on Friday April 05, 2019 @06:52PM (#19587781)
That makes no sense. You have no authority over the bank. The federal government can be considered a scary bully who will lie to send anyone to jail.
Re:Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists t... by wybiral on Friday April 05, 2019 @07:29PM (#19588020)
They need a warrant by law in most cases but ICE seems to be requesting this data without much to back it up. The standard approach is to challenge it and keep records of the interaction.
Re:Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists t... by romwell on Saturday April 06, 2019 @12:42AM (#19589293)
>You have no authority over the bank.

And ICE doesn't have authority over Motel 6 without a warrant.

Re:Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists t... by waffleguy on Monday April 08, 2019 @07:02PM (#19609980)
That’s under the assumption that ICE isn’t lying and intimidating. I find it completely believable they would use illegal and underhand tricks.
Re:Motel 6 to Pay $12M after Improperly Giving Guest Lists t... by michaelmrose on Friday April 05, 2019 @11:35PM (#19589024)
Your legal duty to your customer doesn't end wherein this duty is inconvenient.