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Re:No, Your Instagram ‘Influence’ Is Not as Good as Cash, Cl... by jedberg on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @02:28PM (#19565900)
I've sort of wondered how this whole influencer thing actually works. There was a girl I ran across on Instagram (friend of a friend) who appears to have no job other than posing in her swimsuit at exotic resorts (sometimes with her boyfriend and sometimes with other women in bathing suits). She only has about 12,000 followers.

Do people pay for her to come to those resorts? Is she just not posting anything about her real life on Instagram to make it look like she doesn't work? Is 12,000 followers really a lot?

Re:No, Your Instagram ‘Influence’ Is Not as Good as Cash, Cl... by alistairSH on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @02:36PM (#19565973)
My take... For most "influencers" it's just a hobby. They just like posting pictures of themselves in cool places. Maybe they have a monetization plan, maybe not. Either way, they make/made their money elsewhere.[0]

For a few, they're the modern equivalent of niche hobby and fashion magazines[1]. They publish some free content on Instagram or Youtube, maybe get some ad revenue, but also publish premium content on a subscription model, or have actual business arrangements with companies. But, they're working hard to do what they do.

EDIT - I didn't really address the original question, which was about one specific woman. I have no idea. I doubt she's being paid by resort owners. Either she has money, friends with money, or she's an escort. Or maybe something else I can't think of.

0 - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4SXMZsFPZMFN5-3UuF-k6w Trent Palmer does a lot of airplane stuff, but earns his living shooting drone footage for movies and commercials.

1 - https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/the-lonely-life-of-a-yac... Alex Jimenez has business relationships with yacht brokers and gets paid to generate content in order to drive clients to lease/buy mega-yachts.

Re:No, Your Instagram ‘Influence’ Is Not as Good as Cash, Cl... by user5994461 on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @02:48PM (#19566062)
You're missing the point entirely. The money is in affiliate marketing. Show off in bikinis/makeup and link to buy them. Every time someone buys you're earning a small percentage of the sale. It adds up very quickly.

General rule is at least 1/1000th of viewers are buyers. A youtube videos with hundreds of thousands of views have sold hundreds bikinis.

Companies may give you a product to show off for free or even pay you, but that doesn't make money like selling it.

Re:No, Your Instagram ‘Influence’ Is Not as Good as Cash, Cl... by reaperducer on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @03:37PM (#19566506)
General rule is at least 1/1000th of viewers are buyers. A youtube videos with hundreds of thousands of views have sold hundreds bikinis.

And as a general rule, each bikini sold nets the affiliate about 10¢. So with 100,000 views, that's ten bucks.

After deducting standard business expenses, travel, food, etc... (since "influencers" almost always have to pay their own way), you make about -$4,000 per trip.

I think this explains why so many "influencers" are riding on their parents' money.

Re:No, Your Instagram ‘Influence’ Is Not as Good as Cash, Cl... by user5994461 on Thursday April 04, 2019 @08:38PM (#19578542)
You're severely underestimating the price of underwear. Don't forget to double because top and bottom are sold separately.

Somewhere between 10 and 100 dollars is not bad for a video that took a day to make in one's bedroom.

Don't know why you're talking about trips. It's never been about traveling. Traveling costs money, it doesn't pay. There are very profitable affiliate schemes for hotels but I doubt they are accessible to a solo teenager and it's nothing like selling a cheap item.

Re:No, Your Instagram ‘Influence’ Is Not as Good as Cash, Cl... by alistairSH on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @02:58PM (#19566146)
Yeah "ad revenue" - in my mind a link to Amazon is just another ad. But, I could have been more clear. And in Jimenez' case, is he really making his money from affiliate links? The article makes it sound like that's not it? I don't follow him, so no idea.
Re:No, Your Instagram ‘Influence’ Is Not as Good as Cash, Cl... by sct202 on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @03:00PM (#19566166)
The person who runs Candy Japan posts the results of their Youtube unboxing videos and Youtube ads, and their conversion seems much lower than 1/1000.
Re:No, Your Instagram ‘Influence’ Is Not as Good as Cash, Cl... by engineerworks on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @03:25PM (#19566403)
Because candy doesn't solve problems like makeup, garcinia combogia or other weightless gadgets do.
Re:No, Your Instagram ‘Influence’ Is Not as Good as Cash, Cl... by jlarocco on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @03:18PM (#19566341)
And where are you getting those number from?
Re:No, Your Instagram ‘Influence’ Is Not as Good as Cash, Cl... by gamblor956 on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @02:51PM (#19566094)
A lot of resorts will let instafluencers stay for free during the off-season to drum up additional publicity. From a business perspective, if the room isn't otherwise booked to a paying guest, the marginal cost of letting an instafluencer stay there gratis is almost nil. (They usually require the instafluencer to pay their own way to/from.)
Re:No, Your Instagram ‘Influence’ Is Not as Good as Cash, Cl... by hangonhn on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @02:45PM (#19566041)
12,000 is not a lot. My Instagram account for my dogs have 1,000 and I only post occasionally. That said, it didn't take much before some small vendors reached out to me about doing some small promotion like "here's a free leash, take a picture of your dogs with the leash". I don't know what level it takes for hotel stays but 12,000 is really low compared to even moderately popular Instagram accounts.
Re:No, Your Instagram ‘Influence’ Is Not as Good as Cash, Cl... by DanBC on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @05:16PM (#19567333)
Some influencers are now faking the sponsored posts. They've paid for the product, but they're claiming it's a sponsored post because fake it til you make it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18747434

Re:No, Your Instagram ‘Influence’ Is Not as Good as Cash, Cl... by DoreenMichele on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @02:39PM (#19565998)
She's the only person who knows for sure if she is really getting compensated in some way or not.

Asking her directly may not get you a real answer.

The inside view and the appearance to outsiders always differs some, no matter the topic.

Re:No, Your Instagram ‘Influence’ Is Not as Good as Cash, Cl... by gnicholas on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @02:49PM (#19566076)
Very good point — apparently some people include #ad to make it seem like they do sponsored posts, even when they're not being paid. But to a potential advertiser, it seems like they have a track record as a paid influencer.
Re:No, Your Instagram ‘Influence’ Is Not as Good as Cash, Cl... by DoreenMichele on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @02:53PM (#19566111)
This could be a case of "fake it til you make it," which would be a good reason for potential sponsors to not be happy about this trend. A lot of so-called influencers won't actually make it. Giving them free stuff may have little to no hope of actually paying off.
Re:No, Your Instagram ‘Influence’ Is Not as Good as Cash, Cl... by reaperducer on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @03:34PM (#19566476)
Reminds me of something that happened recently.

A co-worker brought her kid to work. Another co-worker asked the child what he wanted to be when he grows up. The child responded instantly, "I want to be a YouTube star!"

Re:No, Your Instagram ‘Influence’ Is Not as Good as Cash, Cl... by Konnstann on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @04:05PM (#19566792)
10 years ago, that kid would have probably replied "Movie Star" instead of YouTube, not sure that a kid wanting to be a celebrity is bad.
Re:No, Your Instagram ‘Influence’ Is Not as Good as Cash, Cl... by jedberg on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @05:01PM (#19567238)
That's more a sign of current distribution models than anything else. 20 years ago it would have been "I want to be a movie star!"
Re:No, Your Instagram ‘Influence’ Is Not as Good as Cash, Cl... by nodesocket on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @02:38PM (#19565986)
Sounds about right. It is really pathetic, instead of learning and becoming a marketer and mastering a skill, you can just post half baked pictures of yourself at various resorts and hotels and call it work.
Re:No, Your Instagram ‘Influence’ Is Not as Good as Cash, Cl... by gamblor956 on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @03:02PM (#19566191)
Quite ironically, that is how many people in America feel about Silicon Valley, especially when they hear about the offices filled with arcade games and pinball machines and meditation rooms and on-site concierge chefs...

Marketing is a skill. Just because it doesn't appear valuable to you doesn't mean it's not valuable to someone. For examples on the importance of marketing, see the histories of Tesla, Tinder, most big-budget movies, nearly all triple-A games, Wool, Harry Potter, Twilight Saga, nearly all restaurants, most tangible goods purchased in a store, cars and trucks, airlines... The point is that just making a good product isn't enough anymore; there are plenty of good products. Marketing is what makes people aware that your product exists and/or makes it the preferred option the next time they are in need of that type of product.

Re:No, Your Instagram ‘Influence’ Is Not as Good as Cash, Cl... by lotsofpulp on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @02:40PM (#19565999)
I don't think any half decent establishment would fall for the Instagram "influencer" nonsense.
Re:No, Your Instagram ‘Influence’ Is Not as Good as Cash, Cl... by stevesearer on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @02:52PM (#19566099)
There was an article a few months back that described hotels and resorts getting inundated by "influencers" requesting free stays.

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/06/insta...

HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17330732