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Re:WikiLeaks Founder Added To The Interpol Wanted List by vaksel on Tuesday November 30, 2010 @09:06PM (#1956504)
What crime has he committed under American law?

And remember, he is an Australian citizen so the whole treason thing doesn't apply.

Re:WikiLeaks Founder Added To The Interpol Wanted List by lucasjung on Tuesday November 30, 2010 @09:17PM (#1956526)
Treason does not apply. Espionage does. Most countries have laws that provide for prosecution in absentia if the defendant refuses to appear in response to a summons. For espionage, the U.S. takes it one step further: our laws specifically give our federal law enforcement agencies permission to operate outside of normal international extradition processes for the purpose of arresting espionage suspects. In other words, if espionage charges were to be filed against Assange in the U.S., the FBI would be allowed to go wherever he is and more or less kidnap him. This would undoubtedly cause a huge international incident, as it would almost certainly violate the laws of the country where the arrest takes place, but it would be perfectly legal under U.S. law.
Re:WikiLeaks Founder Added To The Interpol Wanted List by ryoshu on Tuesday November 30, 2010 @09:25PM (#1956539)
That's okay, the US would threaten the country where Assange would be kidnapped from: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/spy-talk/2010/11/leaked_cab...
Re:WikiLeaks Founder Added To The Interpol Wanted List by cma on Tuesday November 30, 2010 @09:41PM (#1956585)
Would they go after The Guardian? The NYT? All were recipients of the documents. Manning is the only one who (supposedly) committed a crime.
Re:WikiLeaks Founder Added To The Interpol Wanted List by hugh3 on Wednesday December 01, 2010 @12:39AM (#1956963)
This is the interesting point which is often missed.

In the olden days (like, a couple of years ago) classified documents would get leaked to newspapers. The newspapers would take a look at them and publish them in excerpt alongside an editorial talking about how they thought long and hard about whether it was in the public interest to publish this particular document and blah blah blah. As I understand it, based on my reading of the law, they were technically committing a crime by doing so, but the authorities never bothered to pursue prosecution against the media outlets and just prosecuted the original leaker. Why not? I don't know, maybe because responsible publication of leaks is acknowledged to be a good thing, or maybe because it's not worth going to war with anyone who buys ink by the gallon.

Wikileaks, on the other hand, will publish huge swathes of documents in a much less restrained manner than the New York Times would. It's concievable that they can be charged.

As far as I know, the law states that it's illegal to pass along classified documents, and it doesn't restrict the applicability of this law to the people who were supposed to have the documents in the first place.

Re:WikiLeaks Founder Added To The Interpol Wanted List by vaksel on Tuesday November 30, 2010 @09:27PM (#1956545)
I doubt he'll be charged with espionage, if the Russian spies that were caught this summer weren't charged, it'd be very telling if they charge him with that
Re:WikiLeaks Founder Added To The Interpol Wanted List by RK on Tuesday November 30, 2010 @09:34PM (#1956570)
The difference is that those spies had a whole government behind them wanting to save face. I'm not sure many governments are very happy with Assange at the moment.
Re:WikiLeaks Founder Added To The Interpol Wanted List by rms on Tuesday November 30, 2010 @10:02PM (#1956632)
The Russian spies were traded for US contacts detained in Russia.
Re:WikiLeaks Founder Added To The Interpol Wanted List by olefoo on Wednesday December 01, 2010 @10:47PM (#1960919)
If Julian Assange is charged with espionage, his lawyers will be able to argue that he is engaging in protected first amendment activities, and that he has not committed any crime in publishing confidential data that he had no obligation to keep secret.

Note that this does not apply to Bradley Manning or others who may be sources and who may have committed crimes in passing classified information to uncleared people. But as much as our political elites might wish it; embarrassing the government is not a crime.

Re:WikiLeaks Founder Added To The Interpol Wanted List by fname on Tuesday November 30, 2010 @09:15PM (#1956521)
WikiLeaks founder could be charged under Espionage Act http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11...
Re:WikiLeaks Founder Added To The Interpol Wanted List by vaksel on Tuesday November 30, 2010 @09:19PM (#1956530)
U.S. law does not apply to foreign citizens. It's the equivalent of you getting arrested for some vague Chinese law.
Re:WikiLeaks Founder Added To The Interpol Wanted List by lucasjung on Tuesday November 30, 2010 @10:25PM (#1956675)
As my earlier post states, this is incorrect. It is generally true that the laws of any given country only apply to its citizens, and to non-citizens within its sovereign territory. However, many countries assert the right to prosecute people beyond those bounds for certain types of crimes. Espionage is especially high on the list of such crimes because (as wikiLeaks has so clearly demonstrated) an anti-espionage law that stops at the border is practically impotent. Usually, such crimes are tried in absentia because the prosecuting country has no way to get their hands on the defendant (e.g. Osama bin Laden), but sometimes countries will go to great lengths to seize a suspect, such as when U.S. Navy jets intercepted an airliner carrying Palestinian hijackers and forced it to land at NAS Sigonella.

International law can be very quirky (IANAL, but my work sometimes requires me to deal very directly with particular specific aspects of international law). Much of it comes down to precedent: if you can enforce a claim consistently for a long enough time, it becomes accepted and legitimate international law, which is the reason for the U.S. military's Freedom of Navigation (FON) operations. Conversely, if you allow others to regularly violate your national sovereignty in a particular manner without responding (even if only by formal diplomatic protest), then those particular rights may come to be accepted as no longer belonging to your nation.

A meta-observation: I've noted that posts saying, "he can't be prosecuted by the U.S." are generally getting many upvotes, while posts explaining how and why he could (not that he SHOULD, just that it's possible) are getting few or none. I can't know what other people are thinking, but it seems to me that people are voting based on what they would like to be true, rather than on what actually is true.

Re:WikiLeaks Founder Added To The Interpol Wanted List by ryanwaggoner on Tuesday November 30, 2010 @10:04PM (#1956641)
Disappointing that you're being up voted, as this just isn't true. Foreign citizens in the US are held to the standards of US law, just as US citizens are held to the legal standards of the countries they visit. So your blanket statement is immediately proven false.

And even in this specific case, in espionage cases, the US can choose to prosecute and basically abduct anyone in the world they want, provided they're willing to put up with the political consequences. Not saying it's right, but if you think you can spy against the US (or many other countries) and face no consequences because you're not a US citizen, you might be in for a nasty surprise.

Re:WikiLeaks Founder Added To The Interpol Wanted List by vaksel on Tuesday November 30, 2010 @10:18PM (#1956666)
yes in U.S. you follow U.S. law...but that's not the case here.

And yes, the U.S. can kidnap him and bring him into U.S. so they can charge him with U.S. law...but they can't charge him in another country under U.S. law and expect him to get arrested...not unless they go through the whole extradition thing.

But that's like saying, you fall under Chinese law, because they might send a hit squad to take you out for breaking their laws.

Yes might generally equals right internationally, but for now they are trying to put up the pretense that U.S. cares about foreign relations.

Re:WikiLeaks Founder Added To The Interpol Wanted List by rmc on Wednesday December 01, 2010 @10:22AM (#1958134)
And even in this specific case, in espionage cases, the US can choose to prosecute and basically abduct anyone in the world they want, provided they're willing to put up with the political consequences.

The people who abducted the suspect might be operating under USA law, and they might not be guilty when they go to the USA. However just because it's legal to do it in USA doesn't mean it's legal in the country they do it in. They would still be breaking the law in that country. Would you like if a person broke a USA law while in the USA and then said "But it's OK, it's legal under Irish law?"

Re:WikiLeaks Founder Added To The Interpol Wanted List by akamaka on Tuesday November 30, 2010 @10:12PM (#1956659)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personal_jurisdiction_over_inte...

To the person who posted this and those who upvoted this: you have power over the quality of the conversations on this site. Please give some thought to how you use it.

Re:WikiLeaks Founder Added To The Interpol Wanted List by kgo on Tuesday November 30, 2010 @09:50PM (#1956609)