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Re:Moving on from Rails and What’s Next by everdev on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @12:47AM (#19560838)
Ruby has a very readable syntax and easy learning curve for new devs. What it lacks is the performance and type safety of a compiled language which I think is why many people eventually switch to Rust and Go.

Interestingly, Crystal might be an easier jump as it's syntax is very similar to Ruby, but with the performance gains that come with compiling to a single executable.

Crystal is still pre-1.0 though so it doesn't quite have the production-ready stability or robust community of Go or Rust.

https://crystal-lang.org

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Re:Moving on from Rails and What’s Next by dleslie on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @12:56AM (#19560870)
Perhaps critically, it lacks an official Windows distribution and support.
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Re:Moving on from Rails and What’s Next by learc83 on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @01:05AM (#19560905)
Is anyone deploying anything other than .NET on windows for webdev though?
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Re:Moving on from Rails and What’s Next by grogenaut on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @01:43AM (#19561055)
I work on windows boxes all the time for go development it works great for that. Docker / Docker machine cause issues, and I can't use HyperV because I also have to be able to run android emulator.

However every time I've looked at crystal I've stopped because there's no windows version. I have to have a gaming PC and I only use editors and languages that work on windows mac and linux so I don't hamstring myself or anyone I'm working with.

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Re:Moving on from Rails and What’s Next by learc83 on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @01:51AM (#19561080)
>However every time I've looked at crystal I've stopped because there's no windows version. I have to have a gaming PC and I only use editors and languages that work on windows mac and linux so I don't hamstring myself or anyone I'm working with.

I have a gaming PC too and I run my editor and browser etc... in windows, but I have a Linux server where the software I'm developing actually lives and runs (if it's something web based and not designed to run on windows).

I can't for the life of me figure out why you would actually run your development environment on a drastically different OS than what you're deploying to unless you absolutely have to. You're just asking to introduce an entirely avoidable class of bugs.

I have done it btw, Go software developed for Raspberry PI on windows, but I definitely wouldn't do it again.

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Re:Moving on from Rails and What’s Next by pjmlp on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @07:00AM (#19562342)
Some of us do deploy Web applications on Windows.
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Re:Moving on from Rails and What’s Next by learc83 on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @09:35AM (#19563162)
In which case developing on Windows makes perfect sense.
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Re:Moving on from Rails and What’s Next by james_s_tayler on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @02:06AM (#19561147)
Just run a Linux dev VM in VMware. Best of all worlds. You have your Windows gaming PC and you can develop on it in Linux.
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Re:Moving on from Rails and What’s Next by grogenaut on Thursday April 04, 2019 @12:42AM (#19569390)
done that for years too. file syncing from windows to linux isn't the fastest... the vms are decently fast but not good enough. I also use quad monitors on my windows pc and 7 at work (tho one runs twitch or MLB all day), I hate to say it but the vm feels almost as bad as me using a 13" laptop (or a laptop in general for development without monitor) feels. I just switched my laptop to linux (it's new and it's god awful fast, it was always choking on windows, and it may be because linux isn't speed stepping the cpu constantly). My desktop is generally quite fast but it's a beefy box.
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Re:Moving on from Rails and What’s Next by james_s_tayler on Thursday April 04, 2019 @07:24PM (#19578131)
I find that if I use VMWare the VM is nice and fast and no problems. If I use VirtualBox the performance isn't fantastic but still workable.

How on earth do you use 7 monitors for work?

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Re:Moving on from Rails and What’s Next by pault on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @01:15AM (#19560945)
A lot of folks have to use Windows machines at their day jobs.
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Re:Moving on from Rails and What’s Next by learc83 on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @01:23AM (#19560980)
If they're not deploying on windows though, there isn't much reason to develop on it.
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Re:Moving on from Rails and What’s Next by pault on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @01:59AM (#19561117)
That's what I'm saying. It's not uncommon for companies to have AWS linux infrastructure for deployment but give everyone windows laptops for development. Don't ask me, ask the IT department.
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Re:Moving on from Rails and What’s Next by learc83 on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @02:36AM (#19561262)
Are they running Linux VMs? Everywhere I've worked, I'm one of the few who's not on a Mac, so I'm not familiar with companies like this.
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Re:Moving on from Rails and What’s Next by pjmlp on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @01:47PM (#19565456)
Very typical on enterprises doing Java development.

It doesn't matter where the JVM is running.

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Re:Moving on from Rails and What’s Next by davedx on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @01:21AM (#19560967)
node.js.

I have a production line of business app running on node.js in a full windows environment (cloud server and desktop) for a SME I do work for.

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Re:Moving on from Rails and What’s Next by dleslie on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @09:39AM (#19563188)
As a game developer who sometimes uses Ruby, Crystal is appealing but a non starter.
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Re:Moving on from Rails and What’s Next by pjmlp on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @01:15AM (#19560946)
Java and C++ (IIS modules)
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Re:Moving on from Rails and What’s Next by ajmurmann on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @01:06AM (#19560914)
Is this really an issue for most devs moving from Ruby? I don't think I have ever run Ruby on Windows or talked to anyone who did.
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Re:Moving on from Rails and What’s Next by grogenaut on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @01:45AM (#19561062)
In 2008 when I did rails I was always annoyed that the dev tools heavily favored mac but you deployed to linux. No end of issues with native gems and deploys. I don't think I was using windows back then.
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Re:Moving on from Rails and What’s Next by dimaboychev on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @02:21AM (#19561199)
I hate this. Some tools work best on Linux (i.e. LAMP/LEMP, composer, etc. - performance is noticeably better than Mac). I don't even mention Windows here because it's probably worse. I'd love to have one ultimate OS to do web development, but find myself hopping to Linux and back to Mac... and occasionally to Windows (games :D). Mac/Windows with Linux VM solves this issue, but it's a hassle. Windows Subsystem for Linux is again very slow (try composer) because of slow I/O -- so that great attempt from Microsoft doesn't work for all.
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Re:Moving on from Rails and What’s Next by geowwy on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @02:09AM (#19561154)
Rails is still very much develop on Mac/deploy to Linux. Although I think developing on Windows and Linux is easier these days.
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