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Re:Show HN: Grassland – Real-Life SimCity by rhcom2 on Sunday March 31, 2019 @12:14AM (#19533817)
> Any abuse of this software and/or algorithm(s) evinced by parties engaged in violation of this Agreement, if discovered will be taken as aknowledgement, consent and agreement by those parties to allow any member of the Grassland community to attempt to seek out and identify such parties in order to target and generate any digital news, social media content or other types of information that the household and/or family of the members of such parties may consume using the 'Deep Schizophrenia' narrative

It reads like, "if you break this license, we'll dox you and your family"

Re:Show HN: Grassland – Real-Life SimCity by madhadron on Sunday March 31, 2019 @01:31AM (#19534074)
Except that their modification of MPL2 has a giant loophole. If you include MPL2 code as part of a larger work, you can license the larger work as GPL. At that point, their restrictions are scrubbed from the license of the GPL codebase.
Re:Show HN: Grassland – Real-Life SimCity by garmaine on Sunday March 31, 2019 @07:13AM (#19534974)
It doesn't matter though, you can't claim right to harass in a copyright license agreement. The whole thing is bunk, but it goes to show how messed up the world view of its creator is...
Re:Show HN: Grassland – Real-Life SimCity by david_at on Sunday March 31, 2019 @02:30PM (#19537288)
My choice of words could use some improvement. Here's the explanation. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19537047
Re:Show HN: Grassland – Real-Life SimCity by garmaine on Sunday March 31, 2019 @03:15PM (#19537640)
You are frighteningly naive about the world, and creating the tools of oppression as a result. Stop. And seek help.
Re:Show HN: Grassland – Real-Life SimCity by TomMarius on Monday April 01, 2019 @07:05AM (#19542122)
At least he is making it open, governments won't. While this is worrying, it is inevitable (satellite surveillance, road cameras etc - everything is in place, it's just about time), so I'm happy we're getting it this way and start working on learning to live with it. I'd hate to have to learn how to live under an oppressive government again (I'm from a former eastern bloc country), so this is definitely welcomed by me - this way I can keep track of the secret police.
Re:Show HN: Grassland – Real-Life SimCity by david_at on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @01:48AM (#19561071)
Thank you.

It's funny that the words they use, "dystopian", "doomsdayish" etc. etc. ... are all from fiction. These are literally categories of genre-fiction. They're trying to make straight faced predictions about the future using what is literally in the book store under "Fiction". Something that is by definition not real, a fabrication, a lie. How can they possibly expect me to take them seriously or grasp what it is that I'm doing? They've taken stories they know are fake and mapped them to the real world. How is that any different from religion? I'm giving them mathematical arguments and they're giving me Dr. Seuss.

That's messed up. Well, Hitchen's Razor says that, "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence". Here's my razor, "What can be asserted with fiction can be dismissed with fiction". This is a bulwark against those who insist on living in a world of fantasy and superstition. But for the rest of us, those who want to live in reality, I'm giving you the real world.

Re:Show HN: Grassland – Real-Life SimCity by TomMarius on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @02:31AM (#19561239)
Yes, frankly I see the current strong tendency to use metaphors and labeling as one of the greatest diseases of this age. IMHO it simplifies and degrades any topic it touches to the point of nonsense, which of course means that any subsequent discussion is nonsense. Metaphors and labels also carry emotions that are very complex AND totally individual, which makes them even worse for discussions.
Re:Show HN: Grassland – Real-Life SimCity by drusepth on Tuesday April 02, 2019 @02:14PM (#19557010)
The TL;DR of the linked comment/explanation above is:

* OP built a neural network (Deep Paranoia) similar to GPT-2 + DeepDream that can generate text for any narrative, and identified that anyone could use such a system to reinforce any (false or not) narrative they want

* OP then built a symmetric surveillance system (Grassland) focused on "truths" (derived from proof of work from IRL video feeds) to help protect humanity against a future in which auto-generated false narratives are widespread, intending to provide common people with something closer to omniscience such that they can see more (spatially and temporally) to be able to verify fact against potentially false narratives

It's doomsday-ish, but seems like a natural evolution of tech in this space. And understandable why building the former (Deep Paranoia) would prompt someone to build the latter (Grassland).

Obviously you can't have a "we have the right to harass you" clause in a copyright agreement, though. Threatening to do so is quite extreme.

Re:Show HN: Grassland – Real-Life SimCity by david_at on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @01:44AM (#19561058)
The words people throw around here, "dystopian", "doomsday", etc. etc. are all from fiction. These are literally categories of genre-fiction. They're seriously trying to make straight faced predictions about the future using what is literally in the book store under "Fiction". Something that is by definition not real, a fabrication, a lie. How can people possibly expect me to take them seriously or grasp what it is that I'm doing? You can't take stories you know are fake and map them to the real world. How is that any different from religion? I'm giving people mathematical arguments and they're giving me Dr. Seuss.

And here you've put words in my mouth to suit your narrative. The story you want to believe. A story that's fake by defintion.

Don't you see how messed up that is? Well, Hitchen's Razor says that, "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence". Here's my razor, "What can be asserted with fiction can be dismissed with fiction". My software is a bulwark against those who insist on living in a world of fantasy and superstition. But for the rest of us, those who want to live in reality, I'm giving you the real world.

And it's not 'deep paranoia'. It's 'Deep Schizophrenia'

Re:Show HN: Grassland – Real-Life SimCity by david_at on Tuesday April 02, 2019 @06:14PM (#19559094)
It's not 'Deep Paranoia', lol. It's 'Deep Schizophrenia' The user 'vessenes' got the name wrong. Read my replies.
Re:Show HN: Grassland – Real-Life SimCity by david_at on Sunday March 31, 2019 @02:29PM (#19537280)
My choice of words could use some improvement. Here's the explanation.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19537047

Re:Show HN: Grassland – Real-Life SimCity by garmaine on Sunday March 31, 2019 @12:31AM (#19533879)
Wow, wtf.
Re:Show HN: Grassland – Real-Life SimCity by crooked-v on Sunday March 31, 2019 @01:27AM (#19534061)
I'm getting some TempleOS vibes here.
Re:Show HN: Grassland – Real-Life SimCity by david_at on Sunday March 31, 2019 @02:46PM (#19537422)
I didn't mean to offend. My choice of words could use some improvement. Here's further explanation. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19537047
Re:Show HN: Grassland – Real-Life SimCity by fartcannon on Sunday March 31, 2019 @07:52AM (#19535127)
I was thinking timecube, myself.
Re:Show HN: Grassland – Real-Life SimCity by david_at on Wednesday April 03, 2019 @02:01AM (#19561132)
The words you guys use "dystopian", "doomsday", etc. etc. are all from fiction. These are literally categories of genre-fiction. You're seriously trying to make straight faced predictions about the future using what is literally in the book store under "Fiction". Something that is by definition not real, a fabrication, a lie. How can you possibly expect me to take you seriously or grasp what it is that I'm doing? You've taken stories you know are fake and mapped them to the real world. How is that any different from religion? I'm giving you guys mathematical arguments and you're giving me Dr. Seuss. And you've put words in my mouth to suit your narrative. The story you want to believe. A story that's fake by defintion.

Don't you see how messed up that is? Well, Hitchen's Razor says that, "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence". Here's my razor, "What can be asserted with fiction can be dismissed with fiction". This is a bulwark against those who insist on living in a world of fantasy and superstition. But for the rest of us, those who want to live in reality, I'm giving you the real world.

Re:Show HN: Grassland – Real-Life SimCity by AceJohnny2 on Sunday March 31, 2019 @02:41AM (#19534244)
You and me both.
Re:Show HN: Grassland – Real-Life SimCity by david_at on Sunday March 31, 2019 @02:47PM (#19537426)
As I stated to the parent comment, I didn't mean to offend. My choice of words could use some improvement. Here's further explanation. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19537047
Re:Show HN: Grassland – Real-Life SimCity by crooked-v on Sunday March 31, 2019 @04:10PM (#19538045)
Your licensing terms are less offensive, and more invalid from incoherency and encouraging of illegal actions as well as showing a deep misunderstanding of what valid licensing and contract terms even are.
Re:Show HN: Grassland – Real-Life SimCity by david_at on Sunday March 31, 2019 @02:31PM (#19537295)