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Re:Japan to rule out coal-fired plants as international crit... by credit_guy on Saturday March 30, 2019 @08:47AM (#19529140)
> They're [the cows] direct contributors to global warming

It's a popular misconception that cows contribute greatly to the global warming. The general story is that recently a lot of people in emerging countries (and specifically China) have increased their beef consumption and you need more cows for that, and hence more methane emissions from their burps. And since methane is many times more potent than CO2 ... you know the rest.

What people don't take the time to check is if the story is true. The global inventory of cows was constant at very close to 1 billion for the last 45 years [1]. The half-life of methane in the atmosphere is about 7 years [2], so all the burps released by cows today simply replace burps that decayed from cows of decades past. Overall, cows don't contribute to an increase or decrease in the level of methane in the atmosphere.

[1] http://beef2live.com/story-world-cattle-inventory-1960-2014-...

[2] https://phys.org/tags/methane/

Re:Japan to rule out coal-fired plants as international crit... by bskinny129 on Saturday March 30, 2019 @11:26AM (#19529877)
Methane doesn't have a half-life, but you are correct it doesn't stay around forever. In about a decade it will react to become carbon dioxide and water vapor, which both contribute to warming themselves.

Scientists know this when they state that over a 100 year period, methane traps 32 times more heat than CO2 [1]. This is the number widely cited. Over a 20 year period it is even worse: 104 times greater! Considering we are trying to drastically reduce the human contribution to global warming over the next 10 to 20 years, methane is a great thing to focus on.

Other thoughts:

It is interesting that the cow population only increased 35% since 1960 according to that source. But what about the methane per cow? Some quick searches suggests the slaughter age may have decreased from 3 years to 15 months during that time. They are growing much faster, fed grain that leads to the methane burps. At a minimum several times more emissions per cow.

CO2 only sticks around for 100 years, by your line of reasoning we should just shrug that off too?

[1] http://science.sciencemag.org/content/326/5953/716

Re:Japan to rule out coal-fired plants as international crit... by DougN7 on Sunday March 31, 2019 @04:21PM (#19538111)
That is interesting. So if cows are slaughtered at 15 months instead of three years, methane per cow life time has been cut by more than half. So we could have twice as many cows with the same methane output, right? Something doesn’t seem right about that though...
Re:Japan to rule out coal-fired plants as international crit... by rhn_mk1 on Saturday March 30, 2019 @10:28AM (#19529573)
While the inventory stays constant, the environment is not in a stable state right now regarding greenhouse gases.

Considering than methane is two orders of magnitude more potent a greenhouse gas than CO2 [0], removing it from the atmosphere will also do good alongside reducing CO2 emissions.

[0] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-bad-of-a-gree...

Re:Japan to rule out coal-fired plants as international crit... by hannob on Saturday March 30, 2019 @10:39AM (#19529617)
Your whole argument is a logical fallacy. You're basically saying "It was bad before, so continuing on the same level isn't making it worse". I haven't checked the numbers, but even if true that's not an argument at all.
Re:Japan to rule out coal-fired plants as international crit... by gameswithgo on Saturday March 30, 2019 @11:20AM (#19529837)
no, his argument is not that simple. read it more closely, he is saying the methane from cows is not causing any methane accumulation. its a fixed, relatively small forcing admidst a monotonically increasing one from co2. If we all stopped eating cows co2 would replace the cow-methane forcing in a short time.