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Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by antoineMoPa on Friday March 29, 2019 @10:18AM (#19521885)
This robot looks unpredictable and dangerous for any worker that would be in the area. Other point: as a unicycle rider, I would suggest this robot to wear a helmet.
Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by weinzierl on Friday March 29, 2019 @11:30AM (#19522510)
There is a TED talk by one of Boston Dynamics Engineers where they demo the SpotMini robotic dog. The engineer tasks the robot to fetch him a glass of water. The assistant switches the robot to autonomous mode and the robot fetches the glass of water.

When the engineer is approached he tells the audience that the assistant just switched the robot back to manual for safety reasons.

I think no one could have noticed and I like that kind of honesty. I also found it telling that the people who built the robot have respect for its dangers.

Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by llao on Saturday March 30, 2019 @04:59AM (#19528515)
I think that was a carefully orchestrated action for PR.
Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by andbberger on Friday March 29, 2019 @07:44PM (#19526551)
I don't think that's telling at all. That's standard protocol.
Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by glenneroo on Friday March 29, 2019 @11:54AM (#19522730)
Regarding your 2nd point (which I assume was meant as a joke) - as a fellow unicycle rider and teacher for over 25 years, the first thing one learns is how to dismount safely, feet first and hands outwards in preparation to hit the ground for those extreme cases. My worst crashes were when my shoelaces got caught in the pedals (only once many years ago but since then I always check that my shoelaces are stowed), hopping/tricking, or off-roading. A warehouse environment in comparison is rather sterile and the robot probably won't be performing any tricks so I think the designers can safely forego a helmet.
Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by LiveTheDream on Friday March 29, 2019 @10:37AM (#19522032)
FTA: Although the technology is impressive, we’re still a long way from it being deployed in an actual warehouse, especially around humans. That would involve a level of complexity that robots haven't yet mastered.
Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by hitpointdrew on Friday March 29, 2019 @11:29AM (#19522508)
The robot is no doubt amazing, but I do wonder why they didn't make it with 4 wheels. I am not robot designer, but I would have to think making it with 4 wheels would have been way easier.
Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by fixermark on Friday March 29, 2019 @01:20PM (#19523645)
It depends on the target tradeoffs.

4 wheels can be inherently statically stable but requires more space and requires more energy when running (counter-intuitive, but if your balance algorithm is efficient, you use less energy wheeling around on 2 than on 4 because you can basically play games with gravity to get some acceleration tradeoffs... And you have half the number of powered wheels, assuming you're 4-wheel drive).

If they solve the hard math, the end result may very well be a more performant machine (though as someone else in thread has noted, depending on the overall goals, a zero-wheels statically-mounted arm could be better still).

Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by p-morais on Friday March 29, 2019 @11:08PM (#19527418)
BD's machines actually have terrible energetics. They use very heavy and inefficient hydraulic actuation. I can't find a source for it, but IIRC Atlas has a specific resistance of around ~40, compared to a human which is around 0.2. I don't know an RC Car is at, but direct drive motors are quite efficient.

Whatever BD's angle is, it's not efficiency.

Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by robofanatic on Friday March 29, 2019 @11:51AM (#19522703)
BD is a technology company. I don't think they set out to just build robots that can move boxes. I bet this is a stepping stone towards building an advance machine that can do more than that.
Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by Goronmon on Friday March 29, 2019 @12:28PM (#19523084)
I assume it's a combination:

* If the robots need to "reach" for items, you have to figure out balance/stability issues regardless of how many wheels you have.

* The fewer the wheels used, the smaller the footprint of the robot.

Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by platz on Friday March 29, 2019 @11:40AM (#19522595)
It needs to swing that counterweight around maybe?
Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by tachyonbeam on Friday March 29, 2019 @01:03PM (#19523473)
The thing is: that counterweight looks very heavy, but the boxes being carried look fairly light (something that a human could lift). It doesn't really seem like there's any reason they needed to design this robot to have two wheels and a counterweight. As others have said, the counterweight makes the robot more unpredictable and dangerous. What happens when someone steps behind the robot, and the robot needs to swing the counterweight back to keep its balance? Does it hit the person with that massive weight or fall flat?
Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by dbcurtis on Friday March 29, 2019 @01:40PM (#19523849)
I suspect that this is an exercise in learning how build a two-wheel balancer that doesn't "hunt" around the vertical position. A normal two-wheel balancing robot is continuously controlling to keep the robot at an unstable equilibrium point (the "inverted pendulum" problem). The only actuators it has to do that are the wheels, so a normal two-wheel balancer is continuously rocking back and forth as it controls for vertical stability. The counter-weight gives a second actuator to control for equilibrium, so that it doesn't have to use the wheels for small corrections.

Also, recall from freshman physics that the pendulum problem is non-linear. Most balancing robots linearize the problem around the stable point. Which means if the robot gets far away from the equilibrium point, you either have to switch to a different controller or live with the consequences. One of the consequences is the robot racing off to the horizon as it tries to get the wheels under the CG again. (Which may happen anyway whether or not you switch controllers.)

Thus, my standard advice to all newbie robot builders: Your first robot should have a low enough mass that a missing semicolon will not punch a hole in your living room wall.

If this kind of thing is interesting to you, MIT 6.832 Underactuated Robotics by Russ Tedrake is posted on YouTube going a few years back, and the Spring 2019 version is being live-streamed every Tuesday and Thursday, picking up again next Tuesday after spring break.

Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by fixermark on Friday March 29, 2019 @01:21PM (#19523655)
I imagine the same thing that happens when a person steps behind a forklift, and the forklift operator backs up without looking.

Static doesn't necessarily mean safer. But the article also notes these aren't intended to share space with humans yet.

Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by walrus01 on Friday March 29, 2019 @03:39PM (#19524875)
If I had to guess, the counterweight area also contains a big bulky lithium ion or lipo battery pack. Perhaps if they've determined they need it to carry around a 35 kilogram battery pack, they're accomplishing two purposes by also putting the battery in the counterweight location.
Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by lawlessone on Friday March 29, 2019 @01:36PM (#19523808)
>This robot looks unpredictable and dangerous for any worker

They will just have to remove the people to make it more efficient.

Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by hinkley on Friday March 29, 2019 @04:50PM (#19525551)
Someone posted an automated warehouse here a couple of months back. This looks like the one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeMTZd68fOU

The robots were above the boxes instead of below the shelves (maybe to beat an Amazon patent? I dunno.) But that warehouse looks like nightmare fuel for a maintenance crew.

Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by cesarb on Friday March 29, 2019 @06:23PM (#19526165)
Fascinating video. Youtube suggested as the next video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DKrcpa8Z_E and that one has at 2:52 what seems to be a maintenance vehicle placed over the same rails as the robots, so that might explain how the maintenance crew can do its job (the one in the video is labeled "Recovery 04", so my guess is that the main purpose of this one is to allow maintenance workers to rescue stuck robots).
Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by NortySpock on Friday March 29, 2019 @10:49PM (#19527345)
Is that the warehouse that burned to the ground? I remember being both sad and laughing at the hubris of building such an inaccessible, complicated warehouse.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-47160448

Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by hinkley on Saturday March 30, 2019 @12:31AM (#19527775)
It is! How did I forget that. How do firefighters move through a building with no floors?

> The blaze began high in the warehouse and was so difficult to reach that firefighters had to cut holes in the roof, according to Neil Odin, chief officer at Hampshire Fire and Rescue Service. A sprinkler system only contained the fire in its early stages. It took more than 200 people to quell the flames.

Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by 14 on Friday March 29, 2019 @03:13PM (#19524619)
Exactly. Plus I imaging that once they get it down, these things will move even faster and with more precision.
Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by aqme28 on Friday March 29, 2019 @10:26AM (#19521951)
that's true for a lot of industrial robots. It's a lot harder to make a robot that can work alongside humans than one that doesn't need to.
Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by modzu on Friday March 29, 2019 @10:50AM (#19522170)
there's got to be some pretty funny fails video
Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by Datenstrom on Friday March 29, 2019 @11:05AM (#19522308)
I have a few from my robotics projects at NASA, not sure if I can share publicly though unfortunately.
Re:Boston Dynamics’ new robot stacks boxes [video] by fuddle on Friday March 29, 2019 @01:43PM (#19523880)
I fell like you couldn't have humans in the same room unless they were switched off.