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Re:The FCC has fined robocallers $208M and collected $7k by ravenstine on Thursday March 28, 2019 @01:27PM (#19514436)
You can stop robocallers by simply not using the archaic phone system. Set your phone to only accept calls from people in your contacts, or simply reject all calls. Educate everyone you know about doing so. Legacy telecom needs to die.
Re:The FCC has fined robocallers $208M and collected $7k by scrooched_moose on Thursday March 28, 2019 @01:32PM (#19514493)
If anything that makes robocalls more lucrative. The scammers would love to exclude people with enough awareness to opt out of their potential call pool, allowing them to focus all of their time on the more gullible.

It's the exact same as the Nigerian Prince spam scam https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/publication/why-do-...

Re:The FCC has fined robocallers $208M and collected $7k by Lownin on Thursday March 28, 2019 @01:29PM (#19514465)
Cool. My dad has been in the hospital a fair bit lately. I'll just tell them to Facetime me from now on if they need to reach me.
Re:The FCC has fined robocallers $208M and collected $7k by inerte on Thursday March 28, 2019 @01:32PM (#19514489)
I've declared phone call bankruptcy yesterday and decided to do exactly that. But at least on the iPhone, I couldn't find a way without affecting notifications (by putting it on Do Not Disturb).

I believe a call from anyone worth answering will probably result in a voicemail, and I know that robocalls leave voicemail, so I know it's not a perfect plan. But I am at a point where I would rather just ignore "phone" functionality on my iPhone than to put up with the huge daily distraction of robocalls.

Re:The FCC has fined robocallers $208M and collected $7k by kevin_thibedeau on Thursday March 28, 2019 @01:46PM (#19514659)
We just need captchas for voicemail.
Re:The FCC has fined robocallers $208M and collected $7k by hodr on Thursday March 28, 2019 @01:30PM (#19514469)
Some people use their cell phones for business. If I block unknown numbers, I risk losing customers to someone who will answer the phone.
Re:The FCC has fined robocallers $208M and collected $7k by ravenstine on Thursday March 28, 2019 @01:41PM (#19514608)
Out of curiosity, what sort of business do you run? Is providing VoIP options out of the question?

I said what I said because I've disabled calls for people who are not on my contact list, whom rarely call me anyway, in favor of email and video chat like Hangouts. Most businesses can be contacted via email, and nearly all my correspondence with companies, when I was apply for jobs, was handled over email and Hangouts. It just seems to me like we already have plenty of viable options for ditching the outdated, low fidelity phone system, but maybe that's not for everyone. For individuals, however, I do still think disabling calls is worth a try just to see how much one really needs to be answering them.

Re:The FCC has fined robocallers $208M and collected $7k by itake on Thursday March 28, 2019 @01:30PM (#19514468)
I am interviewing for jobs and I have my phone number on my resume so recruiters can contact me. This is not a good solution for many people or small businesses.
Re:The FCC has fined robocallers $208M and collected $7k by ravenstine on Thursday March 28, 2019 @01:48PM (#19514685)
Honestly, if I really needed a phone for finding jobs or other things, I'd buy a burner phone for that purpose, which I'd shut off when I've found a job.

I was interviewing for jobs the past 4 months, and asked nicely if they would be willing to use Hangouts instead of a phone call because of lots of robocalls. Third party recruiters might refuse(but I avoid them at all costs), but I've yet to have hiring managers or engineers be unwilling to do so. Small businesses are in a tough place, but an individual really does have plenty of options for avoiding phone calls.

EDIT: I'm being a little myopic here, since not everyone is applying for engineering positions. lol Employers outside SV probably won't be receptive to not using the legacy phone system.

Re:The FCC has fined robocallers $208M and collected $7k by RoadieRoller on Thursday March 28, 2019 @01:54PM (#19514743)
I just took a Google Voice Number and put it in the resume. I get so many calls from recruiters and I will not even be notified as I don't have anything that connects them to my phone. I use the web interface of GV everyday end of day and go through the voicemail, or calls them back if I think they are legit. Again call back is also from GV number. So Google voice handles it for me where it even converts voice to text in voicemail.
Re:The FCC has fined robocallers $208M and collected $7k by itake on Thursday March 28, 2019 @04:06PM (#19516050)
Besides the fact many people may not want Google to listen to their phone calls and voice mails, I still receive robo calls on my GVoice number, albeit less.
Re:The FCC has fined robocallers $208M and collected $7k by danny_taco on Thursday March 28, 2019 @01:44PM (#19514642)
I stopped putting my telephone number on my resume years ago. I realized I would start getting spam calls more often (and this was years ago) whenever I started passing my resume around to recruiters or applying directly to companies.

If they want to reach me, they can do so my email, and it has worked fine so far.

Re:The FCC has fined robocallers $208M and collected $7k by imglorp on Thursday March 28, 2019 @01:43PM (#19514634)
Nor people with children at school, or sick family members, etc...

Very much a captive audience.

Re:The FCC has fined robocallers $208M and collected $7k by peterwwillis on Thursday March 28, 2019 @01:37PM (#19514559)
I suggest using a dedicated Google Voice number for this. I have over 300 voicemails and texts from recruiters and they keep coming, even though my number hasn't been listed in years.
Re:The FCC has fined robocallers $208M and collected $7k by ghaff on Thursday March 28, 2019 @01:39PM (#19514584)
Telephone calls are still the default (or only) way to reach people in some circumstances. Making yourself difficult or impossible to reach in an emergency isn't a very realistic option for a lot of people.
Re:The FCC has fined robocallers $208M and collected $7k by peterwwillis on Thursday March 28, 2019 @01:31PM (#19514475)
So, block calls from banks, government agencies, schools, emergency rooms, offices, prospective employers, ...
Re:The FCC has fined robocallers $208M and collected $7k by ravenstine on Thursday March 28, 2019 @01:56PM (#19514765)
You can still take voice mails, and there are even ways to transcribe them to text. That way separating the wheat from the chaff takes less time.

If the government calls you, you're really in trouble. Calls from the "government" are almost always a scam. Same with banks to a lesser extent.

The school issue is an interesting one. Schools ought to have other methods to contact parents(or students). At the very least, a school should be willing to provide a list of numbers to whitelist.

My point is that there are difficulties in not taking phone calls, but there aren't as many of those difficulties as one might assume, and they exist in large part because nobody is pushing for obsolescence of the phone in favor of something better.

I wouldn't even mind a system that wasn't IP based so long as it had better security measures. In fact, that'd be preferable to relying on proprietary systems owned by the likes of Facebook and Google. The fact that a Caller ID can be easily spoofed, that numbers themselves can be spoofed, and that phone companies have long been complicit in the criminal activity that goes on over their system, is absurd. It can't be fixed and should either be thrown away or rebuilt from the ground up.

Re:The FCC has fined robocallers $208M and collected $7k by michaelmrose on Thursday March 28, 2019 @02:19PM (#19515007)
People especially on the poor end of the spectrum can't not have a phone. A solution that only works if you have $100-$300+$600 per year per person is probably not a solution.

Any totally new solution is liable to be useful only to an increasing minority of the population over at least the next few decades.

It would probably be easier to graft authentication onto the current system and force individuals to post a tiny bond per assigned phone number.

Let people report robo calls and cause robo call originators to forfeit their numbers and bonds and don't allow them to buy new numbers under the same identity or credit card.

Even paying $10 per per 10 robo calls placed would boost the cost to $1 per call.

If you need 1000 bullshit calls to scam $500 out of someone then your net is negative.

Re:The FCC has fined robocallers $208M and collected $7k by peterwwillis on Friday March 29, 2019 @01:44AM (#19519440)
There's no reason the phone system can't be fixed incrementally. They did it for 911 and location data, they can do it for ANI. After all, it's not like the phones themselves are faulty (well, maybe on the wireless spectrum, but that's a separate issue)

If you want a solution, whitelisting isn't it. You could even create them at the organizational level, like schools and government offices publishing lists of numbers to be whitelisted... But that would just be used by the robocallers, spoofers and scammers.

We as a society benefit hugely from instant communication and trying to remove it today would put too many people at risk.

Re:The FCC has fined robocallers $208M and collected $7k by AnimalMuppet on Thursday March 28, 2019 @01:46PM (#19514657)
Banks don't call my very often. I have a deep mistrust of calls claiming to be from banks.

If a bank is calling me, they'd better want zero information from me - they better be just telling me things. Otherwise, I'm going to call them back at a number that I know is really them.

Re:The FCC has fined robocallers $208M and collected $7k by unsignedint on Thursday March 28, 2019 @01:54PM (#19514741)
At least most of those legitimate caller would leave a voice mail if you don't take a call.
Re:The FCC has fined robocallers $208M and collected $7k by mehrdadn on Thursday March 28, 2019 @01:29PM (#19514467)
I've done this and it's still a pain going through their voicemails all the time.