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Re:Microsoft says encryption laws make companies wary of sto... by bigiain on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @10:28PM (#19508623)
You are making the incorrect assumption that the people writing these laws are not idiots.

They don't understand the technology.

They don't listen to any of the people who advise them about this technology.

They seem only to be listening to the police and other law enforcement crying about "paedophiles and terrorists GOING DARK".

The Prime Minister at the time claimed the laws of Australia overrode the laws of mathematics. Seriously.

Re:Microsoft says encryption laws make companies wary of sto... by chii on Thursday March 28, 2019 @02:34AM (#19509785)
THe law provides a specific provision to say that there are limitations to what the assistance can be:

> 317ZG Designated communications provider must not be required

> to implement or build a systemic weakness or systemic

> vulnerability etc.

But the issue here is whether it's possible to perform the required "assistance" but not introduce systemic weakness or systemic vulnerability. I think it's a logical contradiction, so the law is pretty damn stupid...

Re:Microsoft says encryption laws make companies wary of sto... by shakna on Thursday March 28, 2019 @07:24AM (#19511084)
Systemic weakness or systemic vulnerability is redefined to not include anything that the notice can require however, rendering that particular exception pointless.

> systemic vulnerability means a vulnerability that affects a whole class of technology, but does not include a vulnerability that is selectively introduced to one or more target technologies that are connected with a particular person. For this purpose, it is immaterial whether the person can be identified.

The words "systemic weakness" means something completely different to how the industry would use it.

Re:Microsoft says encryption laws make companies wary of sto... by bigiain on Thursday March 28, 2019 @07:55AM (#19511270)
"We don't need you to introduce a Systemic Weakness into the whole class of 'electronics', we just need you to selectively target the specific class 'mobile phones' that are connected to John Doe 3 aka bogey-man-de-jour."

This is now request that your lawyer would happily bill by the hour arguing with their lawyers in front of a judge - to determine whether it's a correct and enforceable interpretation of that shittily written legislation.

Except you aren't allowed to tell your lawyer we asked you to do it.

Re:Microsoft says encryption laws make companies wary of sto... by CWuestefeld on Thursday March 28, 2019 @11:18AM (#19513036)
No. The people who wrote the law (and handed it over to the elected politician) knows quite a lot about it. The politicians who put their face on it are mostly ignorant, if not idiots.

Politicians don't generally come home in the evening and sit down to write their own bills. They rely on "experts" to do it for them. The more we rely on a central regulatory apparatus, the more essential this is. And this is where we run into problem like this, as well as regulatory capture. But the fact remains that they've got to rely on somebody with expertise, yet where can you find such people, and how much can you trust them when they're not publicly responsible (or even known).

Re:Microsoft says encryption laws make companies wary of sto... by j16sdiz on Wednesday March 27, 2019 @11:17PM (#19508896)
They don't understand technology. But they know law -- and how to abuse them.